BALDWIN I come right out and call Anthony Fauci a war criminal.

O'REILLY Liberals have morphed now into communism, socialism.

O'REILLY In my life, if somebody doesn't like Donald Trump, you come to me, I'll tell you.

BALDWIN We don't need to do this woke BS anymore.

O'REILLY Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to another edition of We'll Do It Live. You may remember a few weeks ago, I had Stephen Baldwin on the program, and we got to discussing the Baldwin family. There are four actors in the family. They're Alec, Billy Baldwin, Stephen, and Daniel Baldwin. And the fascination here for me is that two are conservative and two are liberal, very liberal. And how do you negotiate that? Because millions of Americans find themselves in the exact same position that some of their family members see it one way, they see it another. Can you heal a breach or whatever? So, joining us now is Daniel Baldwin, you know him. He's a big TV guy and has been around for quite some time and starred in a bunch of Born on the Fourth of July, it was a big movie, Homicide: Life on the Street. I picked him up there, and he's been very successful. So I appreciate you coming on. When your brother was on, he wasn't as intense as you are, as far as the family dynamic was concerned. But correct me if I'm wrong, you think it's politics that's damaged the Baldwin family, is that correct?

BALDWIN Oh, there's no question that it's damaged relationships. There was a period of time, there was Trump won the first time, and Stephen was leaning more on his, as I am being a born-again Christian. Also both of us knowing Trump, having worked with him and for him. And so he was out of the closet straight out, supported Donald Trump. This time round, and I believe again, I don't want to speak for Stephen, but I believe because of pressures to other famous people in his direct family. I'll leave it at that. He has had to renounce his participation in politics. And he says, I'm retired from politics, which is his choice, but I think it's a BS answer myself. So he had no...

O'REILLY It's an economic choice, so you know, and I know, anybody involved with showbiz knows. It's a lot harder to get a job in Hollywood, particularly a mainstream job, when you are a conservative Christian. In fact, I mean, even big names like Mel Gibson, people like that, have a hard time dealing with the Disney's and distributors of the films, who are almost 100% liberal. It's the culture in Hollywood. So I don't know where Stephen is in his life or his thinking, but it's interesting that you say that politics did damage your family. So there are four brothers and two sisters. Your mom is still alive, right?

BALDWIN Mom passed away just a couple of years ago.

O'REILLY I'm sorry, okay. So I'm glad she, I'm not glad she passed away, but I don't think your mom would like to get involved with all of this. From all I know about the Baldwins, and I'm Levittown, you were Massapequa. You guys were rambunctious, but it was a harmonious family growing up, correct?

BALDWIN Yeah, I mean, here's the difference, and my mother would have said the same thing. My father, I think, would be very upset with where it lies right now. Billy and I have seemed to be able to, and we've gone at it, you know, I mean, he is very, very well known for not liking Donald Trump, things that he writes on his social media and so on and so forth. But he and I tried to not talk about each other or go back and forth on Twitter or social media. Let's not air it out. He has made his opinion very known to me and so he and I kind of, and I'm closest to Billy. So we don't really talk about politics very much. It's just, there's nothing really to talk about. We have completely different takes on stuff that comes out, and my knowledge of subversive and the, and the machine that is the media and who they support and how they're paid. And he doesn't look at that at all. It's, you know, when you write Donald Trump 94 convictions and blah, blah, and I look at him and go, for what? For saying that his real estate was worth more money than, and he wanted more money for his real estate. And that's, if you took that away from realtors and property owners in New York, you wouldn't have real estate in New York anymore. I mean, it's some of the most ridiculous nonsense. But again, Alec, you know, he and I, we don't talk very much anymore. And I don't talk to Steven at all anymore, by their choice, not mine. My father would have looked at this bill, and he would have said, how could you let your brotherhood be separated over a political issue like that? We would come, in my father's book, way before I believe, maybe they don't believe that so.

O'REILLY Now, your father was a schoolteacher, you guys were from a working-class family, and you grew up in a traditional manner, but now you see things differently. But that is very common in America, it's very, very common. And it distresses me. I want the Baldwins to be together on Thanksgiving, having a good time. I don't care, you know, in my life, if somebody doesn't like Donald Trump, and I've known the man 35 years, so if you wanted to know something about him, other than propaganda, you come to me, I'll tell you, and honestly. But I'm not in business in any way, shape, or form to promote the president. I understand that people believe what they want to believe. They want to believe this, as you pointed out with Billy. So he wants to see a country that's a certain way, you see it a different way. But why can't you have a few laughs about it?

BALDWIN You know, I believe exactly what you're saying. I have said, you know, what if we just don't ever talk about it? And then people started unfollowing and unsupporting, and I thought, okay, well, you don't want to follow me on social media. You're my brother. It's going to look very odd that we're not following each other. But again, I don't care. I don't care what Alec and his wife do on shows. I don't care what Stephen is pontificating about. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

O'REILLY But you love him.

BALDWIN But he's my brother, they're my brothers, and I love them. Doesn't that supersede anything to do with Republican or Democrat? In my opinion, it does. And I can live with them saying, touting, believing, whatever they do. They, a lot of times, cannot. They cannot.

O'REILLY Well, that's not unusual. The left is very hypersensitive to criticism. I never figured that out. And the right is too, but not at the same level. I remember having Alec on factor and he did come in, and we give him props for that. But I did the interview in more of a jocular way. I think he was beating up guys who were giving his car a hard time or something. You know Alec, there's always something going on. The pizza was cold, so he storms in, whatever it may be. And I try to keep it in that zone of, why are you so crazy? I didn't get into the socialism aspect. But here is something I would really like, if I could get all four Baldwin brothers in a room. So the liberals have morphed now into communism, socialism, we want a new country. That gets a little more serious, particularly if you really have a loyalty to your country, if you're a veteran, if you've sacrificed greatly for the advancement of this nation. Then I understand, you know, now we're clocking to we hate the country, we love the country. I'm not sure whether detente is possible there. And I think that might be going on in the Baldwins.

BALDWIN Well, one of the things I always say, and I point this out, when we would have, even all these Democrats early on in the 80s, 90s, even up to 2000 and change, I didn't really become a Republican, nor did I support anything to do with Trump besides being a friend until he ran in '16. And so I will say this, when you were wrong, when the Giants were playing whoever and I said, yeah, they're not going to win this game. Trust me, Tampa Bay, and you'd get a phone call after it, going, you were right. Holy crap, I didn't see that, and we move on. Even though I can substantiate and prove things like, I don't think you understand. They're lying to you in the polls. He's not losing in seven battleground states. He's going to win all seven of them. This is the kind of propaganda that's being done, that's being fed by people who have money that really controls access to this information and the news. And so, sure enough, when he wins all seven and beats her ass and wins the presidency, I didn't get a phone call going, wow, man, you were right. So in this subject, no one wants to even admit when they're wrong. No one wants to admit the obvious. 

O'REILLY I want to hear it. That's for sure. Now, when did it cross over for you into the jobs? So, you know, there was a group, it might still exist, the Sons of Abe, I think it's called, out in L.A. And conservative actors, Bruce Willis, people like that, would go, and they'd all discuss the difficulty of navigating the show business employment situation. If you didn't toe the liberal line, you had to toe it in order to get work. When did you see that begin?

BALDWIN Oh, that's been there for a long, long time, Bill. You know, if you, it was better for me, and again, remember I'm a crossover. I was a Democrat. I supported Barack Obama, and now look back at it now with, and I feel very bad because I think he's gonna be in big trouble, his legacy will be destroyed. He's a criminal, in my opinion. So I think that, again, but I was part of it. So I didn't really notice it now. My phone never rings now. I mean, I have a podcast that I come right out and call Anthony Fauci a war criminal. He's a war criminal. He should go to prison for sure. And a lot of the rest of them. So it's not popular to be on this side. There's a few, Dean Cain, Scott Baio, I'm friends with, you know, Stephen was for a long time, now he's retired from politics. But there's also a number of people, Bill, behind closed doors that will say one thing that out in public they won't say the same thing because they're fearful.

O'REILLY Oh, sure. There's no doubt about it. And the suits will never admit that they're not going to consider a Daniel Baldwin for a role because they don't like Daniel Baldwin's politics. They'll never admit it. But it's so pervasive now that it harms the country, in my opinion, that you can't work. This is like Joseph McCarthy in the 50s. So McCarthy points at you and says you're a communist, and then you can't work? That's exactly what happened. And the irony of it all is lost on the liberal Hollywood community, which, of course, rebelled against McCarthy, but they're doing the same thing.

BALDWIN I think you're going to find, Bill, that let's just do the math. More people voted for Donald Trump than voted for Joe Biden. More people are a combo. So that means that there's at least half or more out there that support the types of things that I am upset about in this country and what we've become. So they also, Michael Jordan had a great line. And why did you not use all of your power? Why did you not use your influence? And he said, Republicans buy sneakers too. That was his line. And so he kind of stayed neutral, even though he was right up there, bigger than Oprah, bigger than a lot of them, and he could have made a difference, and he decided not to, because it would have affected his box office appeal. So knowing that there's at least half out there that follow the red, you would think that a movement, and there are some people out there now, Mel, along with Sly Stallone and Wahlberg and whatever. And, you know, they're getting together, and they're saying, hey, man, we don't need to do this woke BS anymore. We don't. We're gonna do our own thing over here, and our people come watch our stuff. The other people don't wanna do it, then don't. It's okay. So you're gonna see production and stuff change in Hollywood in the next decade. You'll see.

O'REILLY Well, that's an interesting prediction. Now you've moved to Houston, Texas out of the mainstream Hollywood grid. Why'd you do that?

BALDWIN Well, I was walking, I was directing a faith-based film, Mickey Rourke, Billy and Steven, two of my brothers, which I will tell the audience now, if you have the option to direct a movie with two of your brothers in, don't do it. It took 10 years off my life. It was hard. But I did this movie, and I wanted to break into the faith-based market, which is a tough market to break into. And at Kroger, with my two teenage daughters shopping, my now wife comes walking by me, and I took one look at her, and I thought, oh my goodness, she's so beautiful, and she walked right by, didn't even notice me. She's 30 years younger than I am, and then a couple aisles later she walked by again, and she looked up, and she smiled, and I thought, hang on a second. Maybe the old man's in the game. So I don't see her again. I'm out in the parking lot, and in this giant Kroger parking lot, she comes out with her car. She's parked right next to me. So I said to her, do you think that this is a God thing that we're supposed to meet because we're parked right next to each other, after smiling at each other, or do you think it's just a coincidence? She said, no, we're probably supposed to be. Well, we've been together for five years now. My wife is a Notre Dame Law School graduate. She's with a really, really big law firm. We have a three-year-old son. And I named him, you're going to remember, Bat Masterson. I named him Bat. So Bat Baldwin, my three-year-old son, and my wife and I are here in Houston, because I, I understand the mentality here better. Bill, I, you know, when they bought up, here's a great, I'm a New York kid, we're both Long Island boys. And they elect this guy as the mayor. And I said, Do you have any idea what you're doing? What's gonna happen to New York City if you let this guy come in? I've gone further than that and said, I'm really worried about Netanyahu going to New York. I am, I am. I think this is gonna start to get violent, Bill. I do.

O'REILLY No, I don't think so, because the voters- and we saw it with the Wisconsin gubernatorial primary- and this is the silent story that isn't told by CBS, NBC, and CNN, and the rest of them. The voters, 77 million, you referenced, voted for Donald Trump, they don't want a new country. They love America. They want it better, and my new book is Confronting America: What Has to Change, they want a better country. But they don't want these loons, because they are loons. Now that brings me to an interesting point. I never found Alec Baldwin, and I know him a little because his agent is a friend of mine, to be totally irrational. He was like Warren Beatty, or a million of these Hollywood guys who, you know, yeah, we wanna help everybody and that, but they really, they weren't crazy guys. Like, we wanna blow up the Department of Defense. I never found him that way. Has he gone into that loon zone, as I call it?

BALDWIN No, no, no. I didn't mean to imply my connecting my brothers to the statement. I just think that there's, it was interesting there was a post and it was Alec about he was he got home from some job and he was watching some special on the civil war and he went back and watched it, and he ends this piece that he's talking about on, I don't know what it was, whatever it was, TikTok or one of these sites. And he said, he left it open, is this where we're heading? And you know what, I have to tell you that, I know you say it's far-fetched, but the brewings and stuff that's going on and the disparaging difference between the first civil war in this country and now, this is a few years pre-civil war, and it sounds very similar.

O'REILLY That's what they said in Vietnam. And there was violence in Vietnam, there was homegrown violence, and it frittered out, and in our history, we're a resilient country, things fritter. We need dynamic leadership on both sides, but I don't see it. You might be right, though. I mean, I'm predicting the past, what I've seen in the past. There have been three times in our history where the nation was at risk. And that was the Civil War, the Vietnam War, and now the rise of communism today, which came out of nowhere. I could have never predicted this, even though I wrote a book called Culture Warrior where I set it up. I never thought that these people would elect Zohran Mamdani. I know why they're doing it, I mean, they want free stuff, they don't believe they can make it here, they believe everything's rigged, and there's no way you're going to get them out of that, particularly with the education system. But my question is that I'm trying to get a string going among you four guys to bring you guys together. See, that's the kind of guy I am, I'm just the salt of the earth. That's me, you're watching, the salt right here, okay? I'm trying to get you guys together, and I don't know whether it's possible or not, because I don't know how far left they are. Now you're about as far right as most conservatives are. You wanna put Fauci in a cell. I don't wanna put him in a cell. You know what I wanna do with him? He has to stay in Wuhan forever. Okay, that's my punishment for Anthony. We pay for the ticket, he goes. We got a little cot in the Wuhan lab, and that's where he can't come out. That's what I would do with him.

BALDWIN It would be great for me, Bill, to get him, Barack, a few of these guys to turn around and say, you know what, I really messed up, and I'm sorry.

O'REILLY But Trump would have to be in there.

BALDWIN Well, to settle the fact that so many people on the left believe that he was a god.

O'REILLY Oh, I know. But these aren't thinkers. I mean, were you ever, were you ever on The View or any of those programs? Did they ever interview you?

BALDWIN Yeah, from Rosie to Oprah to, you know, I mean, I know everyone just about on that show. I'd love to do that show, but I think that they would obviously, because of my politics, they A, wouldn't have me, and B. You know, and the great thing about, you know, Whoopi, who I've gone to Knick Games with and blah, blah, would be to look at them and go, don't you remember how you used to kiss this guy's ass when he walked on this set? I mean, it's night and day. Once he decided he was gonna run for president. And you didn't like what side he ran on, he became the devil, and you hated him. And it's 99.999% of it is manufactured nonsense that they sit in a war room with people that are paid to put this material out against him.

O'REILLY Sure, it's about money.

BALDWIN Everything he says, everything he says.

O'REILLY Look, Disney knows what it's doing, and Disney's brand has taken a huge hit, stock price a huge hit. And that's the inexplicable part of it. Why would you put your business, your corporation, at risk by alienating half the country with Kimmel and The View? And all these people have to do, because I know them all, I was on The View 12 times, and I was on Kimmel four or five times, all they have to do is moderate it a little bit. Say, okay, here's Dan Baldwin coming on, and here's O'Reilly, we're going to bring him in. And number one, they get good ratings. And number two, then they get the stigma of being just propagandists, maybe lessens. But they won't do it. Do you know why they won't do it?

BALDWIN Because it would damage, you know, the money you think that they're losing at Disney, you know, they're making tenfold back by putting poison in chip bags and then treating you for the cancer that they give you 40 years later because they own the chemical companies that

O'REILLY All right, maybe that's true. I haven't looked into it, but they're charging poor kids and their families $400 a day to go to Disney World. That's where they're making their money back. But the reason that we wouldn't be able to get booked on Kimmel or The View is because they can't answer the questions.

BALDWIN Right, absolutely. Yeah, I agree.

O'REILLY So, if you go in and you say to Sunny Hostin, who I gave her her start All right. I gave Miss Hostin her start, if you go in and you say, is Zohran Mandami a communist? Oh, no. No, no, no no. Oh, No. No. He's a democratic socialist, and you go, then why is he trying to control the means of production in New York City? I'm submitting to you that even though Miss Hostin is a smart woman with a law degree, she wouldn't come close to answering that, couldn't answer it. And Jimmy would have to leave the building, and the Spanish guy would have the answer to the question because he couldn't. So that's why they don't do it. They don't want to be shown up because facts are facts. Now, when you go out, you have a long, long resume. Some of the things, I don't know whether I would have done. I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, maybe I would've, but I don't know whether I would've done that. But people know you. And you were on The Sopranos for two episodes, and I remember those episodes. From all the people that I've spoken to, Schirripa is a friend of mine, and those guys. There were no politics on The Sopranos. They didn't do that at all.

BALDWIN No, and actually what people forget, and I almost jumped out of my chair because the famous last episode where everyone wondered, are they gonna kill Tony? What's gonna happen? And of course the screen went black. Just before the screen goes black, unbeknownst to me, the son sits down at the dining room table with the mother and says, dad, I wanna join the army. And he goes, you ain't joining nothing. And Tony walks off. He comes back, and he lobs a script onto the table, and he goes. You're going to Hollywood, you're working with Danny Baldwin. I made the deal with him. And I went, yes, I'm in the movie, cause you figured they're gonna come back and do the movie version, like Sex and the City. And they'll do a couple of these movies every couple of years. So I thought, okay, I got my own storyline. I'm back on The Sopranos after this scene. And then unfortunately, Jimmy died in Sicily. So we never got a chance to do that. But yeah, there was no politics. And there's guys on there, you know, Pants and, you know, different guys that I know that are huge Democrat guys. And, you know, I've never been able to...there are some people I've had to separate from. They just did not accept, they would not, as part of that machine, my stance on politics. And in my own family, it has really hurt my feelings terribly that, you know, I'm at such a distance with my three brothers. And don't, you know, I barely ever speak to my older sister. I speak to my sister, Jane, and I speak to Billy, but I don't speak to the rest of them hardly at all anymore. And I think that we've all put each other through a lot of different stuff. Certainly, my addiction and things back in the 90s didn't help my relationship with my family. It doesn't help anybody when you're fighting something like that. But I've been sober for a long, long time now. And so I can't, I keep looking at what's changed. That I finally had a really nice relationship with my oldest brother, and now I have no relationship with him again. And it's Trump. So what he does with it, and here's a great, great thing that Alec gave me. I remember I was on homicide, and I had an incident occur with a producer who, actually, involving a firearm, he pulled a gun on me out in front of work. And I was really thrown by all of it. And I called him up, and I said, I don't know what to do, and I called Tom Fontana and Barry Levinson, and I've got to see this guy every day. And he said, listen, let me explain something to you. Do you really think that Fontana or Levinson or NBC cares about you? Please, please listen to me. They don't care about you at all. They don't care about one little bit. And I thought, I remember getting off the phone and going, well, that's not true. I mean, the producers of the show are my friends. No, they weren't. And he was like, they don't care about you at all.

O'REILLY And that's a lesson, a life lesson, but your family does care about you.

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O'REILLY If I can get the four of you knuckleheads in a room. I can make some progress here because I know Alec. I invited him to a touch football game, and he was going to show, but he didn't because he knew I would show him up, so he didn't show up. I know Billy because Billy threw a tantrum sometime when he was on The Factor, but I don't really remember what that was. It had something to do with a wisecrack I made, and Stephen was just on. But I could get you guys in because you guys do care about each other, at least I know you do, and I think Stephen does, when I spoke with him. And so when you add that thread that, okay, we're all a little emotional here about the politics, when Donald Trump leaves office in two and a half years, things will change in America. The whole tone will change. Now, it all depends on who takes his place, but it's not going to be nearly as volatile.

BALDWIN Where's that gonna go? The two obvious choices are JD or Rubio?

O'REILLY I can't call it because things will happen, but the folks who are going to make that determination, they don't want the far left. They don't. And I know that because I do this, and I get thousands of emails, and everybody in the world knows me now because of YouTube, because of this kind of unbelievable exposure that you get through the high-tech stuff. Most Americans do not buy into this insanity, and therefore, once you get the guy who is lighting the fuse to some of it, Donald Trump, okay, he's not there anymore, then the intensity level will drop. I can almost guarantee it because that's what has happened throughout history to our country.

BALDWIN Mm-hmm. I agree. I believe that, you know, it's funny. I remember, as a young man, watching Nixon and watching Watergate unfold, and you know, knowing, you know, after JFK and already murmurings of what really happened in Dallas at Dealey Plaza and so on. And what, you know, the underworld is capable of doing. I mean, you know, it's pretty intense. But I remember watching it. And people, you know, he wasn't a likable guy, you know, Nixon, he was a very, very strange man in some ways. And yet I never remember any of this, the hatred. I mean, people don't care at all, even what the facts are when it comes to this president. They just hate him so much.

O'REILLY That's true. It's demeanor.

BALDWIN It's terrible, it's terrible. I've never seen anything like it. The lack of respect for the office, the lack of respect for the fact that a majority of our people elected him president, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 

O'REILLY Absolutely true and that is a huge deficit for the opposition. That helps Donald Trump. All that hatred directed toward him and the MAGA people helps him because it makes them, his supporters more passionate. It makes them ready to believe you. We are ready to believe you because we don't trust the other side, who continually fabricate things, and they're obviously not looking for really what's happening, because what's happening is very complicated. Trump's trying to change the tenor economically of the whole country, and now, with the Iran thing, the whole world, he's trying to change it all. And when you're a change agent like that, it alienates people. So, back to you. You're going to now go into the Christian filmmaking business, is that correct?

BALDWIN Well, I'm in that market with the film now, which will be released. There's been some litigation between the producers, but it should be out by, I hope, Christmas. And no, no, I came up with an idea, which I can talk a little about, but it's a TV series that has an interesting weave of interactivity with the audience. So it's called Perfect Brats. I also am one of the co-founders of a streaming company called Vesta Streaming, which is here in Houston, Texas. So we're doing a lot of really cool projects. And I have to tell you, what you hit on this early, Bill, I've had to create and reinvent myself in some ways because of my political stance. I honestly can tell you that, you know, I mean, I'm 65 now, the phone doesn't ring like it did when I was 35 or 45. But it still rang, you know, once a week with, hey, they're interested in you reading for it. I haven't had an audition in Hollywood. Not one audition in over a year. Not one, not one opportunity not to. Now, I still get phone calls on smaller films, some medium-sized stuff. Would you be interested in this role? And they just offer me the role. But no, I've had to keep myself busy making my own stuff, and I have to tell you, it's actually more fun. The stuff that they come out with right now, a lot of the stuff I read is the same crap. You know, they're just, it's boring. So I'm gonna start shooting my own stuff here in Houston.

O'REILLY I mean, that's what I did, and if you have the formula that the folks want to see, you'll be successful, and I don't have to deal with any of the suits because I run the three corporations that we have, and the relief, the relief of not having to deal with idiots, and you know, the idiots outnumber the smart people. I'd say about 50 to 1 out in Hollywood, you know, maybe a little bit more. And I'm respectful to everybody. I mean, I had a great conversation with Danny Glover. Crazy Danny Glover, whose apparently his health is going downhill. He was the nicest guy, and because I don't come at it like that. I come at like, hey, you were great in this movie or that movie, I don't come at it. Now, if they ask me, all right. I'll tell them, but I'll couch it in humor. I'll say, hey, no, I could be wrong. Because I don't, the fanaticism that often accompanies partisan politics, that's a destructive emotion. But I think that you're gonna be very successful. And I've seen a few of these Christian movies, they do very well. It's, you gotta get the distributors now. See, the distributors don't wanna do that because they don't want to alienate the Hollywood pinheads. But they're starting to move in because they know there's an audience for those flicks. They want to see that kind of uplifting stuff. They want their beliefs reinforced. And if you can do it in an entertaining way, this Gibson movie, the part two of The Passion, and I worked a little bit with Gibson on The Passion in an advisory way. This is going to be enormous. Yeah, it's going to blow away a frog man or whatever man they got. I don't know, grasshopper. Wait till you see, when he opens that movie next year, the mania, and it's things like that, that will balance the culture a little bit.

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BALDWIN You know, I keep thinking about now, you saying, you know, I could get the four of you together, and this is a microcosm of the whole country. You have to be willing and to be open.

O'REILLY Yeah, you've gotta be willing to do it. Sure.

BALDWIN Your approach to it is, I don't tell people they're wrong, and you invite people to participate, and you're listening too, but if you're already going to walk in the door and tell me I'm wrong, if you are already going to walk through the door and know that...

O'REILLY My idea is this, we kidnap four of Alec's children, what does he have, 15 now? We kidnap 4 of them, and we take them to an undisclosed location with a note, you shut up, you show up here, but you can't talk politics, or you'll never see these urchins again.

BALDWIN So I think he'd go, he's like me, I think you'd go to his wife. He's got a young, you know, influential wife, like I do. I think if you get her, he has to follow. She really runs the show, just like mine.

O'REILLY And there's no downside, there shouldn't be a downside, for detente in the Baldwin family. You know, I mean, it's a great American family in the sense that you have a schoolteacher, you have a homemaker, your parents, you have six kids, four of them become famous in perhaps the most competitive industry on the planet, acting. I mean, this is a big American story here, which really hasn't been told the way it should be. So there's worthiness to the story. And then, plus, because I am the salt of the earth, I want to see you guys be friends.

BALDWIN You know, Bill, I would say that the answer to this comes and makes the most sense for most of my guys. And it's interesting that you're a guy from Levittown. When I talk to friends of mine from Massapequa that aren't involved at all in this business, that could care who still does movies, what they did, blah, blah blah, genuinely happy for the Irish Catholic sons of a school teacher and football coach and blah blah. And they look, and they go, who cares?

O'REILLY Yeah, who cares who you're voting for, right?

BALDWIN Who cares? Who cares? I don't care...

O'REILLY With one exception, with one exception. So I've got my guys about 25 of them and guys I've known since I'm five years old okay, because that's a New York thing, and they got a little Boston and Philly in there, but it's primarily...I got my guys. If they say something unbelievably stupid, they're done. But it's not just one side. All 24 guys go, what? What did you just say? And that just makes it, this takes all the tension out of it. It makes it fun. I could produce a program with you four, okay? That would be a huge hit. All right? So the Baldwin Brothers. And we put it on, you know, God knows what. But you got two Libs, and you got two conservatives. Man, can you imagine that? And that's the way it should be.

BALDWIN I think the more interesting thing, Bill, would be to talk about how it got to where it is versus debating Trump or Democrat.

O'REILLY Yeah, sure. Sure.

How do you, how do we let it get to a point where people aren't talking to each other? You know, I mean, we're, we were brothers, we were raised in that same house, and there were a lot of challenges about that. And there was a, you know, I can remember the excitement of, you know, Alec calling me up and saying, yeah, guess what, man? We lost Klaus-Marie Brandauer. And I'm like, you lost the guy that's gonna play the Russian U-boat captain in Hunt for Red Actors? Yeah, we lost him. He dropped out at the last minute. I'm like, what are they gonna do? That guy was perfect, but they got another guy. And I go, they told you? Who is it? And he goes, like, he went nuts that he was going to work with James Bond. I mean, we were so excited for each other at every turn. And it seems like all of that is gone now.

 You know why? The media. The media has inflamed the American population, particularly those who don't understand the media, don't know why they're saying what they're saying. And it's all about money. And so they hear this not only on television and radio, but on social media, in particular for the younger people. They hear this stuff constantly. Trump is corrupt, Trump is this, Trump is that. Republicans don't care if you starve to death, you know, the liberals are the greatest, Kamala Harris is a Mensa person. You know, they hear it, and they hear it, and they hear it, and they hear it.

BALDWIN Wait, wait, wait. Whoever said Kamala Harris was Mensa? Please don't tell me that was...

O'REILLY Newsom.

O'REILLY They hear all this propaganda. And some people who don't know much, they incorporate it into their personal belief system. And then when you attack somebody's personal belief system, all hell breaks loose. So we're going to take a quick break for our Premium and Concierge Members and come back with Killing Time. For the rest of you all over the world who have watched this, thank you very much for taking the time. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.