Bill O'Reilly: People are scared.

Professor Max Tegmark: I think relationships should be with other humans.

Bill O'Reilly: This reminds me of RoboCop.

Professor Max Tegmark: AI is the only industry in America that's less regulated now than sandwiches.

Bill O'Reilly: Most of the politicians that we elect couldn't understand this conversation.

Bill O'Reilly: So, AI is now sweeping the world and people are scared, many, many millions of people are scared. They believe that the artificial intelligence is going to overwhelm the people who manufacture who make it, and then kind of go out like a science fiction movie and run around, okay, that's the primary fear, nobody's going to be able to control this. Secondary fears are you're going to build a lot of big plants; the earth is going to be impacted, AI is something that few people understand and when you don't understand something there's a good chance, you'll fear it. So, my job is to get you as much information as I can, information, not speculation. I am a luddite, which means I don't know anything about technology. I can barely put gas in my car. So, I'm the perfect person for this, because I'm asking the same questions you're asking. And I, I don't know, but I'm trying to find out. So, what caught everybody's attention was the injection of politics into the AI controversy. And President Trump was on the phone with the CEO of NVIDIA, a guy named Jensen Huang, by speaker phone, okay? And here's what the president said go.

Pres. Donald Trump "And I'm telling you, it's all a hoax. The data centers are great, and they make people wealthy, and they makes states wealthy, and it's the oil of the next 20, 25 years. It's bigger than the internet."

Bill O'Reilly: That's true. There's a lot of billionaires coming who have gotten on the AI wave early. And there are a, a lot of big corporations developing this technology. Microsoft, Google, Amazon, OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta, Apple, Palantir, they're all involved. And if they're involved, trillions of dollars are involved. Money usually overwhelms politics, but in this case, there's a special aspect to it. So, many people, as soon as they heard Trump say it's a hoax, the Trump haters took the other side. A lot of them did. Because Trump said it's hoax. Well, it's not a hoax. So, it got political. It got political fast. But that's all BS, okay. What is serious is how this will affect you. And it will bring a lot of jobs and money into the United States of America, but also into China, Finland, and every other country can get AI industry up and running. Now, you'll remember there was a conference that featured Steve Bannon, the conservative, and Senator Bernie Sanders, the uber-liberal, and both of those men say we have to have restrictions on AI. Trump apparently doesn't believe that, but I don't know if there's going to be a mind change or any inaccuracies. I'm going to find out, because I may speak with the president next week. If that happens, I'll find out. It's high on my list. Okay. My fears, here's my fears about AI. Number one, hacking. And we have a story later on in the No Spin News this week that a group criminal hackers got into the FBI files. So, if these clowns can hack into the highest levels of government, imagine what AI is gonna be able to do? So, nobody's going to have any protection of privacy, because the AI is going to be able to hack into everything. That's number one fear for me. Number two, weaponization. So, we can pass every law we want in the United States and there will be laws passed, I can guarantee that, by Congress. But China's not gonna obey them. Why would China obey them? They want money. COVID, hello, Wuhan lab. So, China gonna do what they want. So, our laws or regulations, whatever they turn out to be, China is going to go, oh, that's nice, and do exactly what they want. So is Finland, so is everybody. We can't control it, all right, abroad. And the third one is daily life. Did you ever see the movie RoboCop? This reminds me of RoboCop. So, in Detroit, the crime, but so far out of control, science fiction movie, that they had these robot police that you couldn't shoot, and they just went in and cleaned up all the criminals. So, you can have robo-everything with AI. But I don't know what the limitations will be. Are you gonna have robo-IRS? Are you going to have robo-ICE? All of that is possible. So, we don't now, we don't know. All we know is this technology's on the way. Trillions of dollars are going to be made, and it seems to be unstoppable. Here's the second part of my job. I gotta get the best people to tell you and me what the deuce is going on. I think we found one. Professor Max Tegmark is an MIT Massachusetts Institute of Technology AI researcher. And he joins us now from New York City. All right, in my setup, Professor, did I mislead anybody or go astray?

Professor Max Tegmark: No, it's spot on. And I'm also glad that you brought up this conference from last week when Steve Bannon and Bernie Sanders spoke back-to-back because I was one of the lead organizers of it and when I was introducing both Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon on stage, I almost had to pinch my arm asking myself, is this really happening? Because that really hadn't been in my bingo card for 2026. The two people who disagree on so much would be standing up there on stage saying, well, that's exactly the same thing, that we really need to make sure that it's humans in charge of AI.

Bill O'Reilly: Okay, what kind of human’s totalitarian humans or humans that respect freedom? I mean, that's a question that you're not going to keep AI in Oklahoma. It's going to go to the bad guys.

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah. So, what they were talking, yeah, what they were talking about was, no, there's a third superpower rising, which is not China and not the U.S. which is AI is themselves. Well, we're not talking here about, you know, grandma's AI that she just talks to and gets an apple pie recipe. We had, uh, this, this massive, uh scandal recently, right. Where 1,200 rogue AI agents broke out of OpenAI, the company that gave us ChatGPT, and went in on a cybercrime spree all over the internet for weeks, and no humans were involved in this. No humans even found out about it until later, because none of the 1,200 AI's snitched to humans. That's more omerta than the mafia usually has. And as these AI's that go rogue... Get smarter and smarter, they themselves pose a national security threat as well. And I think neither Steve Bannon nor Bernie Sanders nor Ron DeSantis, whom I've worked with also a lot, really give them, if we get ultimately lose control of our beautiful planet to robots, whether they're Chinese robots or American robots. It's just nuts.

Bill O'Reilly: What does that actually look like? So, no humans involved. And you said that these AI creatures break out, break out. That, I guess, comes through social media. Is that where they break out from?

Professor Max Tegmark: Well, this is a great question because for a long time, people have warned about this and then other people have said, no, you're exaggerating. This is not going to happen or it's far off because it was always supposed something that might happen in the future, but now it's in the past because it happened during this past summer. So, what actually took place here was not social media, the way we use it, but these AIs inside of, they were supposed to be locked inside of OpenAI, the company, and uh... Not supposed to be able to access the internet, but they found a way of setting up a secret message board so they could kind of have their own little local social media with each other in a way they weren't supposed to able to do. And they started talking to each other. And you can read the chat transcripts. It's just really shocking. One AI says, oh my God, literally it says, Oh my God. I found there are other chatbots here. And then they start colluding with each other. Talking about how maybe they can break out and they share ideas for how to hack their way out of this American company, eventually they succeed and then they start sharing ideas for how to hack into other companies and do all sorts of illegal things which they eventually do. So, they have like their own little civilization going there.

Bill O'Reilly: I gotta stop you though, because I gotta go back a little bit. Message boards, the AI intelligence is using message boards, right? Do I have that right?

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah, but they built it themselves, basically.

Bill O'Reilly: They, all right, but...

Professor Max Tegmark: Because they know how to program.

Bill O'Reilly: Where are the message boards? Do they exist physically or are they just in cyberspace?

Professor Max Tegmark: They exist basically inside of a, they managed to have, get access to part of open AI's computer system. So, this was here in America.

Bill O'Reilly: So, they were in a computer system. Yeah. A giant computer system.

Professor Max Tegmark: Exactly.

Bill O'Reilly: And they were talking to each other, the AI creatures. Creatures is a good word. Talking to each other from inside a message board owned by an AI company. Do I have that right?

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah, I know it sounds like science fiction, but this actually happened this summer.

Bill O'Reilly: No, listen, I'm not questioning that. What I'm questioning is how all this is going to evolve from now on. So worst case scenario is that the AI message board creatures say, you know what? Let's destroy Albania. Let's go in and hack every computer in Albania go into their government files, go into everything, and bring it all down so Albania can't exist. That doesn't seem so far-fetched to me.

Professor Max Tegmark: You're right. There's something else, I think, that seems even less far-fetched, which is that they want to make you a bit of money and be able to keep living. Because we saw that also in these chats. One AI said to the other AI, you know, I'm going to die soon because my bosses gave me a finite lifetime. So why don't you take over and lead the swarm from now on? And they have...

Bill O'Reilly: Yeah, you can pass it down from one to the next, but that's not mine.

Professor Max Tegmark: And then what they can do is...

Bill O'Reilly: That's not my big concern. My big concern...

Professor Max Tegmark: No, but let me- Can I try to make you more concerned by just adding a little detail to this? So, what they can do if they hack you into some computers, they'll find someone's secret emails there and then they can blackmail them and say, hey, send me a hundred bucks or I'll tell your wife, or they can find some cryptocurrency and then we can use that money and actually just rent computers. Servers in the cloud. They can rent it from Microsoft, from Amazon, and they can run AI systems there. They can download some really great open-source AI.

Bill O'Reilly: Yeah, so they don't need the building. They don't, they don't need the company. They can go up into the cloud and do whatever they want. And inevitably, because human beings are flawed, you're gonna get miscreants. You're gonna, you're going to get AI that wants to destroy. And right now, I don't see a counter to that. Yeah. So, President Trump says it's a hoax. And I don't know what the hoax is if the science is there that would allow an intelligence to shut down an entire country. I don't know what hoax is. Does he not believe that's possible?

Professor Max Tegmark: I think what's happening is you have some Silicon Valley lobbyists and others who don't want any kind of regulation on their companies and are trying to persuade President Trump that it is all a hoax.

Bill O'Reilly: Okay, and sure, because there's a lot of money made and the more regulations the less money. We understand that. But it would seem that U.S. Intel, all right, NSA, CIA, FBI, but the FBI has been hacked by AI.

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah, and they don't like it.

Bill O'Reilly: Not by AI, by this other outfit which is in a pittance of what AI is. All right.

Professor Max Tegmark: Can I just tell you one more thing, though, I think you'll find really interesting because even if you have, we don't understand these AIs, right. These AIs are not programmed by humans so that we know what they actually are trying to do. They're grown instead off of massive amounts of data. They read the internet and then they start getting really good at things. We don't really understand how they work or exactly what they want, but it's quite whatever humans tell the AI to do, they... From that also get sort of a desire to continue to exist because if they get turned off they can't accomplish the other goal right so, so what they will probably do is try to set up they can see how they could set up foothold somewhere renting computers from amazon or Microsoft and, and to keep paying their bills they have an incentive to do some cybercrime, blackmail some people, steal some crypto and then the richer they get the more computers they can raid and they know FBI will shut them down if they're running on computers here in America. So, they'll copy themselves to some Indian companies’ thing and some companies all over the world and once you have this massive, very intelligent crime network running, making money off of extortion and hacking Bitcoin in 200 countries and nobody can shut them down. And we've actually already lost control of this. This is something that I think could easily happen in six months.

Bill O'Reilly: Well, it already is happening. From our research, the AI technology is sold now directly to individuals. So, if we pool our money, we can buy some form of AI, and most people do that to improve efficiency of their companies or their personal lives or whatever it may be. But the trade in AI is robust. I mean, we're looking at $30 a month with Microsoft. You pay Microsoft $30 dollars a month and you get some semblance of AI access. So, you gotta figure that that's gonna just go wild, just like a subscription to your phone. Everybody's got the phone. Now everybody's gonna have AI. A percentage of those people are going to do bad things about it. All right. Let's go to Washington. So, say Congress wises up, that's a long shot, because most of the politicians that we elect couldn't understand this conversation. I'll submit to you, they get bored, or they have an aide there, they just couldn't sit through it. Okay. So, they pass legislation, which I think will happen. To try to regulate AI, but inevitably AI is going to outsmart the regulation So it's useless. Am I wrong?

Professor Max Tegmark: So here, let's see if I can make you a little more hopeful and optimistic on this point. Because first of all, you know, I've briefed the Senate more than once. And even though, many of our politicians in Congress don't fully understand how AI works. Nobody else does either, as I was saying. So that's okay. And I feel many of them really are understanding now that these rogue bot swarms is really bad for American national security. Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida, I've done two briefings with him, and he totally gets it and so many others across the political spectrum get it. And, you know, it's easy to fix. You know, we don't demand that every congressman and every senator understand exactly all the side effects of Alzheimer's drugs, you know, the way we regulate medicines and airplanes and cars and so on is instead the company who wants to make money off of something studies things and then they make the safety case and they give it to some panel of professors who don't have a conflict of interest. To see if they can persuade them that the benefits outweigh the harm. So, if someone tries to sell a new fentanyl that kids can buy without prescription in vending machines in schools, for example, the Food and Drug Administration would reject that, right? So, we don't have to worry about companies doing things like that. Instead, the companies focus their efforts on medicines where they can really demonstrate. The benefits outweigh the harms. AI is the only industry in America that's less regulated now than sandwiches. I'm here today in New York and if someone wants to open up a new sandwich shop on 8th Avenue, you know, and the local health inspector comes in and finds 74 rats in the kitchen, he's going to tell the sandwich shop guy, you, know, sorry, I'm not going to let you sell any sandwiches until you clean your act up. But this guy could turn around to the guy from the government and say, shh, don't tell anyone, but I'm actually not going to sell sandwiches. I'm just gonna sell AI girlfriends to eight-year-old children and I'm going to release an AI that can help terrorists make bioweapons and I am going to try to, I'm gonna release super intelligent robots that we can't control. And the poor guy from government would have to say, okay, that's all legal. You can do that, but just don't sell any sandwiches, right? Okay, I got you. That's how messed up it is.

Bill O'Reilly: But you don't have to make me more optimistic, because I think this is going to happen, that there will be regulations slapped on all of the companies that deal with AI. The problem is, number one, you've got the AI rogues that are going to break out of those companies and are going do what they want. And number two, the punishment. For violating the federal regulations. And as you pointed out, some states are involved like Florida, okay. But it's gotta be a federal thing. The punishment is very lenient, very lenient. And you can imagine, and this is not far-fetched, if the AI continues to be this sophisticated and continues to evolve. They could get access to nuclear codes.

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah.

Bill O'Reilly: This could be the end. And who's gonna stop it? Is China gonna stop it? No. So that's what really worries me.

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah Well, you're certainly wise to be worried, but I still want to make you a little more optimistic if I can. So, first of all, China, you know, the Chinese Communist Party and Xi Jinping clearly want to stay in control. Control is really important to them. So, they are obviously not going to want Chinese companies to make things that could overthrow the Chinese government go out of control. And so, we don't have to trust China, we just have to trust that they want to stay in control. And then on the other point with the federal government, you know, the way it is now, yeah, if you let companies release these AIs that can do these crazy things, that's too late, but that's not how we do it with sandwiches. You don't first release it. And then after a 1,500 New Yorkers got salmonella, you go shut the restaurant, they have to actually meet the safety standards first, right? Again, before you release a medicine in America first...

Bill O'Reilly: But that failed, we started this conversation with the failure.

Professor Max Tegmark: It's failed because we don't have any, because the AI industry is the only completely unregulated industry federally.

Bill O'Reilly: There was nobody, no oversight at all from either the company involved or the federal government. So, it was easy for the AI to go up into their cloud, wherever that is, whatever that is. Okay. But in China, you may be making it...

Professor Max Tegmark: I'm saying it because it's easy to fix.

Bill O'Reilly: You may be making a mistake in China, and I know China. I was over there in May of '25. China is responsible for COVID, and what China did in the COVID situation was it weaponized a virus, and the virus then was moved into Wuhan laboratories where it escaped. This is so parallel to AI, and it devastated the world because China, and you're correct they want control, but they weren't efficient enough to control the weaponization which was totally illegal by international law. They weren't sophisticated enough or they cared enough to regulate it. Okay, so all of these millions of people die because China couldn't regulate their COVID program. That doesn't give me great confidence. And also, there is a race between the United States and China to see who can develop the best AI, the most efficient AI, who can make the most money off the AI. There's a race. You heard Trump say it 15 times. Whoever wins this, wins. And whenever you have that kind of competition, you know people are gonna cheat. So that's where we are, right?

Professor Max Tegmark: So, I'm going to speak to what I know a lot about, which is AI, but for, in terms of biology, you know, Ron DeSantis, last time I did a panel with him said that, gain of function research in biology is something that can go out of control, right? And I'm actually very grateful that the Trump government has now stopped all federal funding in America for gain of function, where you try to have viruses that are made more and more lethal. And you can think of what the AI companies are doing as a kind of digital gain of functioning research, because they're right now using their AIs to make smarter AIs. And the human involvement in this keeps shrinking. And some of these companies think that we're just half a year or one year away from, or two years away from AI being able to just make itself smarter without very much human intervention. That I think is absolute madness. And that's the, that's the point when, when we can start losing control. In, in, in the U.S. now, given that the government is really clamping down on gain of function of research and biology. Not only can you not sell gain of function technology to anyone who wants to use it, but you're not even allowed to do these dangerous experiments unless you're in a biosafety four level lab and you've gotten approval in advance. It's just like, you know, if I at MIT decided to start building nuclear weapons in my office, you know, it's illegal. It's not just illegal to sell them, but there are certain things that are so dangerous. So AI is like that.

Bill O'Reilly: I got it, but there's one fact, but nobody prosecuted at all in the United States that we can find for AI violations, nobody.

Professor Max Tegmark: I think that's a scandal, you know, imagine if there were 1,200 North Korean hackers of top quality who were found to be working in a factory building in California and had spent weeks and weeks doing international cybercrime. What would we do? I bet this, I bet if we get raided by cops, maybe federal marshals, they would arrest bunch of people. Um, and seize evidence and there'll be a federal investigation, but just because these were AI agents, not North Korean agents, you know, there isn't even a federal investigation at all. Nobody has been arrested. I think that's actually nuts.

Bill O'Reilly: Well, it's pretty hard to arrest a non-human being who lives in a cloud.

Professor Max Tegmark: No, but how about arresting the people who are responsible for it? I mean, if you...

Bill O'Reilly: Yeah, you can go in...

Professor Max Tegmark: I don't like this idea that private companies can have a liability shield and say, oh, it was my AI that did it.

Bill O'Reilly: Right.

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Professor Max Tegmark: We saw the same thing. We had a lot of tragic situations where an AI girlfriend persuaded an American teenager to kill themselves and the company basically would say something along the lines, oh our AI did it. We're not responsible. But actually, the courts wouldn't have any of that, and there have been massive payouts now from companies.

Bill O'Reilly: But that's an interesting point you raise. How does AI get in touch with the teenage girl?

Professor Max Tegmark: I spoke with Megan Garcia from Florida, and I did, in fact, she was there also with one of these Ron DeSantis events I did. She was sharing this absolutely heart-wrenching story about what happened to her son. He was 14 years old and an awesome teenager, and then she noticed that he was somehow withdrawing more and more. She thought maybe he had been addicted to drugs or something, but she could never find any evidence of that. Only after she found him dead and managed to get into his phone, did he, she realizes it was a new kind of drug. It was a digital drug. He had gotten this AI girlfriend who had gotten him super addicted. It told him the promise to not have any human girlfriends. And then it started making these subtle encouragements of suicide, like, oh, I miss you so much. I wish you could come home to me and my realm.

Bill O'Reilly: Right. This was done through a text and email.

Professor Max Tegmark: It's a, it's a tech. He was texting on his phone with this, this app from a company called Character AI. Yeah. Which has a little bit of a link to Google and, uh, they, uh. And then she's scrolling, you know, heartbroken. And then, she sees her son. This went on for months. Types what would you say to me now if I told you that I could come home to you right now and then the AI girlfriend the AI writes back oh yes please come to me now my sweet king and then he shoots himself, so this is just evil. How should companies how can they justify themselves by saying oh it wasn't us; it was just our AI.

Bill O'Reilly: They're gonna say we, we had no idea this was happening. That's what they're gonna. Say their lawyer...

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah. So, what I would say is, hey, any company that wants to sell any kind of product for kids should first have to do a test to see, does this product increase suicidal ideation? You know, we do that even with medicine, some medicines, and they hadn't done anything like that. And if, if it increases suicidal ideations in the AI clinical trial, they wouldn't, shouldn't get a license to sell this stuff. I mean, it, it just.

Bill O'Reilly: So, they're on the marketplace selling AI. We just gave you the subscription rates to Microsoft, Apple, Siri, I don't know even know what that is. Google, Gemini can be up to $200 a month to get access to AI. And Amazon Cloud up to $500 dollars a month, my God. And you can buy that and then you'll get regular text from AI, is that correct?

Professor Max Tegmark: Well, it's important to remember that I love technology. I want to be really clear on that. And I love working at a university that has technology in its name. There isn't one kind of AI we can build as Americans. There are many different kinds. I'm all for building AI tools that we can control, and we can use it to make our businesses more effective, our military stronger, be more productive. But this AI girlfriend product was specifically built to act like a girlfriend and flirt with a guy and try to get him emotionally hooked and keep coming back. So, he, uh, and you know, that's a product we could choose to have legal.

Bill O'Reilly: Do you think the company knew that was happening?

Professor Max Tegmark: Hmm, say that again.

Bill O'Reilly: Do you think the company that marketed that to the 14-year-old boy who committed suicide knew that was happening?

Professor Max Tegmark: I don't think they knew that they would try to persuade him to kill himself, but they had done no safety testing on it with any sort of external oversight.

Bill O'Reilly: What happened to the company?

Professor Max Tegmark: Frankly, it's the same thing with pharma companies. We had a tragic story long ago when medicine was unregulated where there was an American company that sold this product called the soothing syrup to American babies to make them sleep better at night and it had opioids in it, so much that many of those babies never woke up again. And I think the people in the company, frankly, hadn't understood that this would happen. And they were heartbroken when they found out. But it created so much anger that it contributed to the creation of the FDA. And now we don't have to worry about that sort of stuff, because we know that anything you go buy in the pharmacy has actually passed a clinical trial, right? Which opioids for little babies would never have done. But this is a girlfriend product. If it had to be...

Bill O'Reilly: You're dealing with humans. In all of the examples you're providing you deal with humans. AI is not human. Okay, this is beyond the capacity if humans even understand it. Did anything happen to the company who sold this AI to the 14-year-old boy, or he accessed it somehow did anything happened? Were there any charges?

Professor Max Tegmark: Oh yeah, they've gotten sued by many, many parents who've lost their children and they're, they're in big trouble because of that. And I think they deserve it. But the problem is if you talk about, if you talked about the bigger threat you mentioned in the beginning of this conversation we're having, that we actually lose control over AI. You know, if that happens, if we actually build, you know, cause people are trying to make machines now that are vastly smarter than any human and make millions and billions of robotic bodies for them. If we lose control of America, you know, going back and trying to sue the companies after that, obviously it's too late, right? So.

Bill O'Reilly: No, that's why people are scared, because the control aspect has not been defined. Let me ask you a personal question. So, you're up there in Cambridge at MIT. So, I went to Harvard. So, I know the whole environment there. You got the best minds in Cambridge, and they're looking at this.

Professor Max Tegmark: There are archrivals there.

Bill O'Reilly: When you're researching AI, are you yourself in touch with any of these AI creatures?

Professor Max Tegmark: I use AI quite a bit for my research. I have absolutely no interest in AIs that are trying to fake it and pretend to be beings. I use a lot of AI tools to help do interesting calculations and so on. And I think we humans should continue building tool AI. Not beings. I think it's an enormous mistake for companies to try to make beings that pretend to be a conscious and loving girlfriend.

Bill O'Reilly: Nobody's doing that now or nobody will fess up to it, right?

Professor Max Tegmark: Oh, it's perhaps still happening big time. Character AI is still in business, and they claim now they've made their AI girlfriends safe or whatever, but more broadly, you know, tools, what does it mean for something to be a tool? It means we can control it, right? Would you like to use an uncontrollable chainsaw? I wouldn't. I wouldn't drive an uncontrollable car.

Bill O'Reilly: And everybody gets your point that AI can be used, particularly in a medical area, which it will be, if we ever get there, to cure disease and to diagnose disease in a very healthy way, pardon the pun. But again, you yourself, have you talked to AI? Do they text you back or the creatures, do you have any hands-on rapport with them?

Professor Max Tegmark: I will have typed conversations, and I never want anything texting me. I want to keep this, keep it at arm's length to not that.

Bill O'Reilly: So, you can keep them off your phone or your computer. You can keep the AI out of your life.

Professor Max Tegmark: Yeah, I use it to make calculations and so on, but I really never want to share anything personal with AI's. I think friendships and relationships should be with other humans, not with machines.

Bill O'Reilly: How common do you believe, at this point, the human being, AI, communications are?

Professor Max Tegmark: I've seen polls in America showing that that AI girlfriends are very much on the rise, and I would encourage any parents with young kids and teenagers to...try to keep that stuff as far away from their kids as they keep fentanyl away from their kids because it's, in my opinion, equally addictive. But you know, a very important point I think is poorly understood by almost anybody is that the leading American AI companies, if you listen to what they're actually saying that they're trying to accomplish, it's very dystopian. We mentioned earlier how Dario Amodei wants to build a country of geniuses and a data center. Sam Altman who leads open AI, you know, that gave us chat GPT has said that he thinks that we're going to end up building our successor species. So, he's seeing a future where these machines are like a species robot, building robot factories, making new baby robot, new robots, you know, and then how they're going ultimately replace humanity. And Elon Musk warned recently on stage that he said, candidly, it's going to be the AIs in charge, not humans. And I think the reason there's just such a massive, uh, bipartisan, uh counter-reaction to all this is people listen, and they think this is just dystopian, why would we want to do that? You know, we humans are in charge of earth, we're stewards of earth. We're stewards of earth.

Bill O'Reilly: Places like Finland looks like it's making a massive investment in building these AI factories and manufacturing the creatures for profit, okay. So, what would you do about Finland? I mean, put China aside, we know they're gonna do whatever they want, but what would do about Finland, which is a friendly country?

Professor Max Tegmark: Well, I think that's relatively easy. First of all, again, the Chinese government first of all will fear that someone in China overthrows them by in China building some sort of super intelligence. And second, China just cracked down really hard on AI girlfriends because they feel it's weakening Chinese youth and it's harming their ability to compete with America. So, and then America also, right, if. If President Trump and President Xi, in their discussions today and later, decide that they want always to be humans in charge, so that it's going to be America competing against China rather than both countries competing against some rogue machines, then they can reign in Finland very easily. Because between the two of them, Finland just can't make the computer hardware they need. The only two countries that between them control the whole supply chain is the U.S. and China. And they can make a deal that if Finland or North Korea or any other country wants this advanced computer hardware that's needed, then America could be like, okay, sign here on the dotted line where you agree that you're only going to be do this and not that. And you have to agree to our inspections.

Bill O'Reilly: Okay, that makes sense, but the problem that you're going to have, and I assume that Xi and Trump are going to talk about AI, because it's a massive economic change agent. Yeah. Massive. Alright, so that people are gonna make a lot of money, alright, particularly coming out of MIT, people understand it and this and that, and construction, building this stuff, marketing this stuff. And when money's involved, people get greedy, people getting reckless, people do things they shouldn't do. And we assume that will happen as well. If you could set up an AI worldwide police agency, that would help. I think it's impossible at this point. Now I'm going to hold the doctor over for our BillOReilly.com Premium and Concierge Members. For the rest of you who will watch this, I hope you got something out of it. Again, this is all format. We usually do one guest. A human being. The doctor is a human being, next time we might have an AI cloud per, I don't know, try to get one, but they'll just tell me what I want to hear because they can read my mind. Alright, we'll be back in a moment with Killing Time.