Bill checked in again with Glenn Beck on The Blaze radio for one of their always entertaining and illuminating talks. 

While the duo agreed that they agree to disagree on many issues, both men are outraged by the current state of America and the war on our historical figures.  "I was lucky in writing 'Killing England' right now," Bill said, "because it ties in exactly with who George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were as men.  You can then determine whether statues of them should be pulled down, because the left is coming after Washington and Jefferson."  Beck agreed, saying, "These statues are not falling because of oppression or pain, this is really about tearing down the entire American story." 

Bill continued with more on the current situation:  "This is about naked power.  You are seeing the rise of the far-left and Antifa and the media will not challenge anything they do.  They can do anything they want with impunity because the hate-Trump media will do anything possible to get Trump out of office.  The far left hates the country and believes it has to be torn down.  The first thing that has to go is anything that made this country what it is, which means history has to be revised.  The starting point was Confederate generals, but Columbus and Jefferson and Washington are next." 

Beck contended that the Confederate flag and the Confederacy itself were all about defending slavery and naked racism.  "All of the Confederates were traitors to the United States Constitution," he opined, "and all of them were fighting for the evils of slavery.  We don't need to glorify that movement."  Bill gave that assertion decidedly mixed reviews:  "I agree at the leadership level of Jefferson Davis, but I don't agree at the level of the troops on the ground.  About 90% of Southerners did not own slaves, the guys fighting for the Confederacy were between 15 and 22 and many were illiterate.  They rallied to a cause that said they had to defend their individual states." 

Bill differentiated between statues dedicated to honorable soldiers and those erected to praise miscreants.  "People should know about Robert E. Lee, who conducted himself in a very honorable way after the war.  His statue doesn't offend anybody, but the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest does offend people because he helped form the Ku Klux Klan." 

Beck posed a rhetorical question about the current extreme in America:  "Every time we have entered periods like this, the way we survive is to have a third force step forward that doesn't want anything to do with either one of those extremes.  But how do we get there?"  "80% of Americans are persuadable and not fanatics," Bill replied.  "Those people have to make a decision about what kind of country they want and they have to know what's happening, that there is a concerted effort to re-write the history of this country." 

Turning to his upcoming book "Killing England," Bill explained why George Washington was so revered during and after his lifetime.  "We open the book with the French and Indian War," Bill said, "where Washington was a member of the Virginia Militia and had three horses shot out from under him.  He was an amazingly brave man and the Revolutionary Army would have fallen apart if he were not that brave.  The strength of leadership is what Americans need to know about, and I want people to know everything about Washington and Jefferson."

Beck and Bill concluded by fast-forwarding their discussion to the 21^st century.  "There is more slavery today than ever before," Beck groused, "and most people don't even want to look at it.  If someone is not an abolitionist today, what makes them think they would have been any different than the worst of our Founders?"  Bill agreed and pointed to some extremely unsettling examples of modern slavery.  "You can make the case that the biggest threat to the world today is the Islamic jihad, and we all know that ISIS and Al Qaeda and the Taliban enslave people.  But the worldwide outrage against that is muted, nothing like it should be."