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CUOMO I am not left enough.
O'REILLY We are in a deteriorating country.
CUOMO It's easier to spin hate.
O'REILLY He's a communist, there's no doubt he is.
CUOMO He's never managed a candy store. Free everything.
O'REILLY Are they stupid?
CUOMO It's all political BS.
O'REILLY Bill O'Reilly here, and welcome to our long-form podcast called We'll Do It Live, and if you don't know why we call it that, I'm not going to tell you, but you can look it up. Now, today we have a very stimulating guest, and you know who he is. I do a weekly hit on News Nation with Chris Cuomo. Here is his older brother, and I had to introduce you that way, Governor Andrew Cuomo, and we're pleased to have him here. We've got a lot to talk about. What I've got to say, and you don't have to comment on this, I thought that your brother, Chris, got hosed by CNN because there are ways to do that covering stories that involve your family. And CNN seemed to have it out for him. I don't know the situation. I haven't delved into it. But the fact that he stood up for you in a controversial situation, didn't back away, I think, speaks very well for him.
CUOMO Well, you're right. I think he was treated unfairly. And look, you are a journalist. You are also a family member. You also have a First Amendment right to speak about your opinion on a situation. And he was very clear, Bill, always to differentiate.
O'REILLY And if they didn't want him to do it, they could have just said, look, you just tell the audience that because of your family ties, you can't cover the story. I mean, that's all. And how many times has that been done? A ton of times.
CUOMO 100%, 100%.
O'REILLY So anyway, I want to get that on the...because I beat him up enough that I have to give him a compliment from now on.
CUOMO Was that a compliment?
O'REILLY That was. He was a standup guy for doing that. I don't have a brother, but if I did, I'd like a brother like him. Don't tell him that though. Okay, so here we are, and I'm surprised that the Democratic Party has gone so far left. Now, I'm not a party apparatchik, I am a registered independent in New York, I don't follow party politics, I do not care about them. I want problem solvers in office. But what I've seen, and you were three terms as governor here, you know, at the end, you got a little left. You were elected, as your father was, to be a moderate Democrat. Would that be accurate?
CUOMO Yes, sir.
O'REILLY So what the hell happened?
CUOMO I am still a moderate Democrat. What happened to the Democrats is the Democrats lost, right, to Donald Trump, and then they became lost. This is a party in transition. This is a party with a simmering civil war. We're trying to figure out our identity as Democrats. And you have a far left, and you always had a far-left. But this far left is much further left and is much louder, and is much more aggressive, and they have frightened the moderates into submission. It's not that they're...
O'REILLY How do you do that, though? You're not frightened, are you?
CUOMO No, no. But they threaten, they threaten. If you're a moderate Democrat, they are going to primary you. And the extremes have always been very strong in the primary process, whether it was far right, Tea party days, far left. In the primaries, they are very strong, and they are open and aggressive and hostile. And if you are a moderate Democrat, they are going to come after you, and they're going to challenge you. And they have a lot of money and a lot of organizations on the socialist side, on the communist side, on the anti-Israel side, and they have frightened the moderate Democrats into submission.
O'REILLY On the surface, that answer makes a lot of sense, but you went up against the communist Mamdani in your hometown, and he beat you. I was surprised. I thought you were going to wax him.
CUOMO Yeah, well, look, but that is the point you have in the primary, the far left...
O'REILLY It wasn't a primary, it was you, it was him, and it was Sliwa.
CUOMO Well, in the general, let's get to the general.
O'REILLY That's what I'm talking about.
CUOMO Well, first in the primary, it was disproportionately a far left vote, a younger vote.
O'REILLY Fine.
CUOMO Anti-Israel.
O'REILLY But you had a chance one-on-one with this guy, and he beat you.
CUOMO Yes. One-on-one, if you take, it was a three-way, if you took Curtis Sliwa out of the race.
O'REILLY Seven percent.
CUOMO Seven percent, it's basically a dead tie. And if you'd take Curtis Sliwa out of the races, I would have beaten him because Sliwa was attacking me every day as a sideshow on the debate stage bill. I think it's objectively fair to say on the debate stage, I beat Zohran clearly, but you then had Curtis, who would come to his defense. One-on-one, I would have beaten him.
O'REILLY But you should have beaten him four on one.
CUOMO In the primary.
O'REILLY No, in a major election. I mean, you're a three-term governor. Your legacy is your father was a moderate Democrat icon. I went through my correspondence last night. I have two letters from your father, and he was very astute in politics. And I was wondering what Mario would have thought about a communist beating his son for the mayoral...
CUOMO Yeah, Bill, this is a different Democratic party.
O'REILLY So all these people who used to be moderates are all crazy socialists now?
CUOMO You now have, well look, you never had the word socialist, right? Ten years ago nobody was a socialist.
O'REILLY Eugene Debs.
CUOMO Yeah, that's right. Nobody was a socialist. Zohran shows up at the May Day rally as a communist.
O'REILLY He's a communist, there's no doubt he is.
CUOMO So this never existed before. You have a whole generation of young people who or socialists/communists.
O'REILLY How did they get that way?
CUOMO Recently, in reaction to Trump, Bernie Sanders, AOC, no King's rallies. All across the country getting hundreds of thousands of young people engaged. And then these false promises, free everything, free buses, freeze the rent, free food, everything free, and this sense of indignation and social justice, no kings. Do away with the billionaires tax the rich.
O'REILLY And they buy all this, are they stupid?
CUOMO They are young and they buy it, they are young, and they buy it.
O'REILLY You were young, I was young, I never bought it, I knew where communism was from the jump.
CUOMO Yeah, well, it sounds good, everything. You're gonna freeze my rent? Great. Free buses? Great. Free grocery stores? Great. Tax the rich. Yeah! Screw the rich, you know, they're rich. I'm not. So it sounds good, and you had a disproportionately, these young people voted in massive numbers, and they're very organized. There's a lot of money behind this far-left movement.
O'REILLY Is this Soros money, these guys?
CUOMO This is Soros et al money.
O'REILLY Do you know why a guy like Soros, who lives in Westchester, fairly near where you once lived and has got all the money he could possibly have, why does he want a communist nation? Do you know?
CUOMO This is his philosophy, has been for a long time.
O'REILLY Would you never talk to him about it?
CUOMO No, no.
O'REILLY Because this guy did a lot of damage. Now you worked secretary of HUD for Bill Clinton.
CUOMO Yep.
O'REILLY Would you say Bill Clinton pretty astute politician?
CUOMO I think he was great president, great politician.
O'REILLY So I've talked to him a number of times, and the guy knows politics inside and out. Okay. I was surprised that a guy like him, maybe Hillary, others, Barack Obama, didn't come to your aid when the far left of your own party attacked you here. Letitia James, Hochul, the governor. Your own people took you out, but we didn't hear from the other people who knew you and knew what your public service record was. Were you surprised?
CUOMO Look, if you want loyalty in politics, get a dog, right, is the old expression. First, many of them did. Bill Clinton supported me in the mayoral election. And you're right, I was HUD secretary. I was with him from day one to the last day of the administration. And we did great work for this country. But it's back to the first point. The far left, Me Too movement, there was a lot of energy around the Me Too Movement. Nobody wanted to stand up to Me Too. And the far left of the party wanted me out.
O'REILLY Why?
CUOMO Because I was not far left enough. Which is ironic, by the way, because all my life I'm too liberal, right? I'm the first big state to pass marriage equality. New York! Highest minimum wage in the United States of America, New York, best gun law in the nation, New York. I'm too liberal all my life, but they are then so extreme that I am not left enough.
O'REILLY Okay. So you just didn't toe, but Hochul, she's, whatever it is on Thursday. I mean, right? Hochul's not an ideologue. I don't see a, Letitia James, absolutely. But Hochul is like, and you made Hochul.
CUOMO Hochul was my lieutenant governor. Yes, she I told her that I was going to run again, and I was not going to run with her again as lieutenant governor.
O'REILLY That's what did it, huh?
CUOMO That didn't help, but she was a conservative Democrat.
O'REILLY Yeah, Erie.
CUOMO From Erie County, Buffalo, she was against... Driver's licenses for immigrants. Eliot Spitzer proposed immigrant driver's licenses, which we wound up doing years later. But she, as a Democrat, stood up against the Democratic governor and said she refused, and if any immigrant walked in, she would call the customs police, the immigration police. So she was a very conservative Democrat.
O'REILLY But now she's not.
CUOMO Now she's hugging Mamdani, right? Why? Or maybe she did a 180-degree philosophical change. Yeah, or maybe the moderates are afraid of the far left, and she didn't want a primary. So you placate the far-left.
O'REILLY Yeah, the guy the lieutenant governor was going to primary her if she didn't stay in line.
CUOMO That's right.
CUOMO Okay. I got the fear element now with your law enforcement background, I mean, you're attorney general of New York. You know what you're talking about as far as uh crime and punishment. I was surprised you didn't stand up against the no-bail laws as much as you could have. You signed it. What's that all about? Don't we punish violent criminals anymore here?
CUOMO Yeah, the no-bail law is not actually a no-bail law. The law I proposed was subject to judicial discretion because, let's go back.
O'REILLY Judicial discretion? You know how many loons there are sitting on the bench in the city?
CUOMO Yeah, but you're accused of a crime. You're just accused. No one has found you guilty of anything. You go before a judge, he sets bail. The only people who wind up going to Rikers and not making bail are the poor people. You could sit in Rikers, Bill, for two years before you're ever heard, before you are ever before a Judge. And you've never been found guilty of anything. So, now what is the...
O'REILLY You could have done a speedy trial, or you could have done a whole bunch of-
CUOMO We have speedy trial laws, but the court system is backed up, etc. So what's the inverse? If you're dangerous, then we're going to hold you.
O'REILLY But they don't hold them.
CUOMO Well, that's judicial discretion. I wanted the judicial discretion.
O'REILLY But you knew the chaotic situation of the jurist population in New York. Everybody knows it. You got the poor guy pushing in front of the subway train from a four-time violent offender because the judge let him out in the Bronx just last week.
CUOMO Yeah, but many states, that is, judges not doing their job, right? Many states have judicial...
O'REILLY But they don't do their jobs.
CUOMO But you can't then say, Bill, so what's the inverse? What's the solution? As soon as you're accused, you go to jail, and you wait two years, maybe you have a trial, or you wait 2 years, and really, what you have to do is take a...
O'REILLY So this was a poor, fairness, basic bill.
CUOMO Yeah, because there is basic due process still, and we wind up with a system where we just imprisoned anyone accused.
O'REILLY Not anyone, violent crimes. Hard to get into the system in New York with Alvin Bragg and these people, and you know them. It's hard to get into the system.
CUOMO Well, that has gotten worse.
O'REILLY He does not prosecute crimes. It's up to 60, 65 percent.
CUOMO Yeah, that has gotten worse.
O'REILLY Now, COVID. You and Trump are buddies. You're pals, saying good things about each other, getting the boat in here that nobody ever used. All right, docking the boat over there. Trump moved on up. You still friends?
CUOMO COVID, look, Donald Trump and I go way back to Queen's days.
O'REILLY Sure.
CUOMO And he was, we went back and forth on COVID. We had our differences, there's no doubt. I would do a morning briefing.
O'REILLY But you were respectful.
CUOMO Yes. Yes. And he did aid New York. And New York was ground zero. You know, COVID. We're listening to this now, Hantavirus on a cruise ship.
O'REILLY Yeah.
CUOMO I tell you, I have PTSD from COVID, and I hear about this Hantavirus and it reminds me of COVID because COVID was here for months, and we never knew. If you remember what happened, COVID came to California. We're all looking at California and the state of Washington. And we said, oh, it came from China and it went to California, no, it didn't. And went from China to Europe. Europe got on a plane, came to New York.
O'REILLY But the bigger picture is this, you and President Trump worked together in a respectful way.
CUOMO Yes.
O'REILLY Could that happen today?
CUOMO Plus or minus. Yes.
O'REILLY You have no beef with him?
CUOMO No, look, yes, I have beefs with him, and he has beefs with me, but-.
O'REILLY But not overall.
CUOMO Not that you can't have a functional relationship, because you have to have a functional relationship.
O'REILLY But we don't in this country.
CUOMO Well, that's because we've gone partisan, we have partisan paralysis. First of all, as a Democratic governor or a Republican governor, who am I to say, well, politically, I don't like the president, so I'm not gonna cooperate with the president.
O'REILLY Did you call Minnesota lately?
CUOMO Yeah, but that's not, I believe that violates your fundamental premise of being in office, right? I represent Democrats, I represent Republicans. This is the President of the United States. We have to work together. Well, you have political differences, fine. But you can't let your personal differences make the relationship dysfunctional. Otherwise, you abrogate your responsibility.
O'REILLY But you were okay with Trump, and to this day, if you called him, he'd take your call?
CUOMO Yes, I believe so. And again, we have many differences on many issues, but...
O'REILLY Say you called him on Iran, which could blow up in everybody's face here, what would you tell him?
CUOMO Iran, look, first, I wish him success and this country success in Iran. If he is successful, Bill, he will have accomplished something great not just for this country but for this world. Iran has been a preeminent threat for decades.
O'REILLY You buy the uranium-seeking nuclear weapons?
CUOMO Yes, yes, I do. Or I buy the threat that they have it, and that happens to be enough, by the way. Everyone's talked about it for decades, nobody's done anything, and here you have a president who said, I'm going to do something. Now, do I believe he could have stood up in more of an orchestrated way and made a case to the American people and brought our allies along? Yes, but put that aside. Now, he wants peace. He needs peace. Those gas prices are going up, the more times they come close. Don't leave the job half done, I would say.
O'REILLY So you're a hawk on this one.
CUOMO You have to make, you have to win. You have to make a deal. You're not going to get regime change. Okay. But you have to say there is an independent force that is on the ground. We're going to make sure the enriched uranium is gone. We're gonna make sure they can't create a nuclear weapon, and you can sleep well for 20 years knowing that.
O'REILLY But that's going to take infantry on the ground in Iran. And after Iraq, the Americans don't have the appetite for that.
CUOMO That we have put independent agencies, not U.S. Troops, independent agencies.
O'REILLY What does that mean? What's an independent agency that goes in?
CUOMO Independent agency, let the...
O'REILLY NATO's not going anywhere.
CUOMO No, the U.N. Put together an independent agency to...
O'REILLY The U.N.? They can't even do Haiti.
CUOMO There has to be, we can't leave the table with Iran saying, I promise.
O'REILLY I understand, but how do you rectify the situation without putting American soldiers on the ground in that God-forsaken country?
CUOMO This is the art of the deal, as the President would say, but there has to be a presence to police this. What, are you going to come home with a piece of paper and say, hey, they signed.
O'REILLY No, you got inspectors every two or three weeks, have to go in there. That's what you get.
CUOMO 100%. Right.
O'REILLY Right. But in order to impose that, you're going to have to send in troops to force the mullahs to sign it. They're not going to sign it.
CUOMO Well, he can't leave unless he has that inspection protocol in place.
O'REILLY And you don't have a magic formula yet?
CUOMO I don't have a magic formula, but look, otherwise you didn't win. What's the option?
O'REILLY He'll come off as the big loser, and the Democrats will win in November in a landslide, but it is a very complicated situation.
CUOMO It is complicated, and I'll tell you what gets me. You had the Strait of Hormuz there. You knew it. You knew that they used it before. It's like having the global economic jugular vein right in front of their country. And, you know, with these modern drones now, you don't need ballistic missiles. They have total control with that Strait of Hormuz. And why we didn't anticipate this to this degree, of course, they wouldn't close the Strait of Hormuz.
O'REILLY Fog of war. I mean, I don't, I can't answer that question, and Hegseth has not answered it. Hegseth says, Secretary of War, we control the Strait, and we can escort anybody in and out of there. That's what he says. Now, off the big national picture, all right, then you get back to a situation where not only has Iran at this point, and it could change in an hour, okay, paralyzed us, but the anti-Semitism that you grew up with, and so did Trump in Queens, you know, I'm in Levittown, I am right down the street, okay. That used to be under control in this city. That's why all the Jews came here. Now, it's out of control. Is that squarely on the progressive left?
CUOMO Bill, no. It started with the progressive left, but now the submissive moderates have jumped on board. And I tell you, I would never have believed this. You mentioned my father. God rest his soul. Thank God he's not here to see this. The Jewish community was integral to New York. They started coming in 1640, 200 years before your people and my people even thought about it. Yes, with the financial capital. They started finance for us. I have two Jewish brothers-in-law. We grew up together. How New York, New York has the highest incidence of anti-Semitism in my lifetime. Increasing exponentially, the ADL just did a report. It was a 182% increase in January, the month this mayor took office. This mayor ran basically, saying, I associate with Hamas. And look, you wanna be pro-Palestinian? God bless you. You wanna say that Israel was hyper-aggressive? God bless. But to then morph from, I disagree with Israel, to I'm anti-Semitic, and I'm gonna be hostile to American Jewish people. How do you make that transition? And how do we allow it to happen? And now the Democrats, everybody's afraid because the pro-Palestinian support is very high. My Democratic primary, close to 70% of the people, pro-Palestinians, Israel has been hyper-aggressive.
O'REILLY And that's why they voted for Mamdani.
CUOMO One hundred percent. And he would not back up an inch. I'm pro-Israel 100%. He would back up an inch. Associated with guys like Hassan Piker, who said America deserved 9-11, which is the same theory that justifies? Hamas raping Israelis in the settlement right you deserve you deserved it. He didn't back away at all, globalized the Intifada, which means kill all Jews. He would not condemn the phrase.
O'REILLY Well, he didn't accept the law that would prevent people demonstrating near schools with...
CUOMO And think about that. He vetoed the buffer zone law, the buffer zone law.
O'REILLY The buffer zone law, which would make the city safer.
CUOMO Yes, but by the way, that was even a token. All the buffer zone laws said, it was passed by the city council, you can't harass students going into a school in a way that could impede their entering the school, and the police will set a buffer zone that's appropriate. You can still protest, but you have to stay 50 feet away, 20 feet away. You can't impede.
O'REILLY Right.
CUOMO People going into a school.
O'REILLY He didn't want it.
CUOMO He vetoes that bill.
O'REILLY Right.
CUOMO Why? First of all, it gave the police power. And part of the far left were anti-police, defund the police, police have too much power. And it would curb protesters, maybe limit free speech, which it didn't. You could still protest, curse, do whatever you want to do. You just couldn't harass, intimidate within that buffer zone to the school. And he vetoed it. You had two terrorists.
O'REILLY Do you think he's an anti-Semite, Mamdani?
CUOMO There, you have to look into somebody's soul. But is he anti-Israel? Yes. Does he associate with antisemitic people? Yes. Does he associate with pro-Hamas people? Yes. And has he done anything while this anti-Semitism is raging, and you have Jewish people in this city afraid to walk the streets, has he done anything to assuage that? No.
O'REILLY It's pretty sad, that's for sure.
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O'REILLY Now, going back to your tenure as governor, one of the things that hurt you in the perception of Democrats, obviously, you running in the primary and all that, was the nursing home thing. Now, when I analyzed the story, it was chaos. I'm being honest here. I mean, I could have easily hammed you like everybody else did, but it's not what we do here. But the amount of people with COVID who had nowhere to go was more than a hundred thousand in the city of eight and a half million. I mean, people didn't know where to go, and they had the disease, so they wound up back in the nursing home, and then it spreads in there, and you get killed. All right, now some of the prominent media came after you for that. What was your thought process while this was going on?
CUOMO First, this was a case of first impression. It was chaos. Ironically, when you look back, not ironically, sadly, January, February, March, the number of deaths from pneumonia spike. March, they diagnosed COVID. January, February, those were not pneumonia deaths. They were COVID. The doctors didn't know there was any such thing as COVID. So it was chaos because as soon as it hit in this city with this density was everywhere immediately. No vaccines, no quarantine facilities, that's why I said the hantavirus reminds me. They're trying to come up now with a test for the hantavirus, and they don't have one. By the way, Nebraska is working on one, which brought me right back to there was no test, et cetera. Also, it became very political, right? And the deaths in nursing homes became a political topic. But I'll give you one fact that'll blow your mind. All is said and done, years, now years, right, five, six years. When you look at the final numbers, the percentage of death of people in nursing homes, by the federal government, CDC, Republican administration, Democratic administration, after all the numbers have been tallied, New York is number 38 in the country for the number of people who died in nursing homes. Number 38, which means 37 states had a higher rate of death in nursing homes, which is incredible, Bill, because we also had it first by surprise. The other states had notice. They knew what was coming. They watched us every day. We were number 38. A lot of political noise, a lot of smoke.
O'REILLY A lot of media.
CUOMO A lot of media. When the numbers come out, number 38.
O'REILLY Would you have done anything differently?
CUOMO Oh, I would have done everything differently. We were checking nobody at airports. We had no test. We had no quarantine facilities. We couldn't get masks. We were sending planes to China to buy masks. There was no laws that dealt with quarantine and hospitals, et cetera.
O'REILLY Right. A totally unique situation. Fauci, a fraud?
CUOMO I think Fauci did the best with what he knew at the time.
O'REILLY But he came across as going, I know everything.
CUOMO Well...
O'REILLY Come on. You know he did.
CUOMO Well, I think, look, I think Fauci was acting on what he knew, and he was trying to bring calm to the country. I did those daily briefings. You had New Yorkers on the edge, Bill. And in a situation like this, the real enemy is panic, right? And New Yorkers were close to panic. So I did briefings every morning. And I slowed everybody down. Let me tell you where we are today. This is the number of infections today. This is the number of lives lost today. This is what we learned today. Here's the information, and the information gives you a sense of control. You have some sense of control because you have the information. And I religiously did it every morning. I wasn't sleeping at night, but seven days a week, I did it. Just to give you that information, and here are the facts. They're not Democratic facts, Republican facts, they're just facts.
O'REILLY Yeah, but people believe what they want to believe, you know that.
CUOMO Well, in the beginning, before it became political, people, party had nothing to do with it.
O'REILLY No, but it came political real fast.
CUOMO It became political real fast because it was a presidential election year. And the Republicans were very nervous about getting blamed. And people started to say, well, where's the federal government taking control? Why are the governors in control? Why is Cuomo in control in New York and Newsom in California, and everyone has to buy their own stuff, and everyone else has to come up with their own policy, why doesn't, where is the federal government? That made it political. In the election year, Republicans pushed back, and they said, it's the Democratic governors because it started in the Northeast. So it was New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania. It's the democratic governors who are at fault.
O'REILLY But nobody was at fault, I mean it was, what the public wanted was honesty, and when Fauci got into the Wuhan lab stuff, he came across as not being honest.
CUOMO Nobody wanted politics, it always becomes political. Everybody's pointing the finger. And COVID, months from an election, everybody was pointing the finger.
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O'REILLY This is a difficult question for me to ask you, but I think it's a valid question. So if your father were still alive and he was watching you get hosed by the far left, which kind of destroyed your political career at that time. What advice do you think he would have given you? Did you ever think about that question? Cause you're probably one of the smartest politicians ever.
CUOMO Sure, sure. Look, he was a man of tremendous principle, didn't really give a damn for the politics of the moment. He was about principle. And there is nothing that this far left is talking about, Bill, that he would adhere to, or I would adhere to.
O'REILLY Not even the trans playing sports against girls?
CUOMO This was not taking a step back. I was not, look, these, first of all, this is all political symbolism. This new mayor, he doesn't know anything about government. There's no government here, there's no professionalism here. He was a two-term legislator that never showed up for work, he's never managed the candy store, right? This is all a political symbolism, I'm a socialist, we're no kings. We're gonna take the money from the rich. I'm gonna give you free groceries, free buses, and everything free. It's all political BS. And no, no, he would, I would not be his son. He'd probably disown me if I were to capitulate to that.
O'REILLY So I would have said, fight it out, slug it out.
CUOMO Fight it out, you lose, you lose, but you fight it out, and that's what I did. My record, as a progressive, what a progressive originally meant, they're not progressives.
O'REILLY Theodore Roosevelt was the original progressive.
CUOMO Yes, and then FDR for progressive, I have one of the original posters, FDR, for progressive government. Yes, nobody was more progressive than me. Nobody was more advanced civil rights, civil liberties. Nobody was more activist as a governor. Look what I accomplished, right? Things that nobody wanted to go near. New LaGuardia Airport. Worst airport in the United States of America, but nobody did a damn thing. New airport, new Moynihan train hall after 30 years. Rehabbed the part of Penn that goes to the Long Island Railroad. You're a Long Island guy. New third track for the Long Island Railroad. Why? Because there were only two tracks for the Long Island Railroad.
O'REILLY But that's nuts and bolts. I mean, you know, look, the bigger picture is that, and you spotlighted it a few minutes ago, this is the ultimate power game. There are no rules in this game, all right? You got the media, which is a player now. They think they can shape the votes of people. Both sides, both right-wing and left-wing media, and they play to their choir. And they boom, boom, boom, it doesn't matter if it's true, they're just going to put it out there. And then you get the money men, the guy looking for advantage to make big money in Manhattan, you know, Mamdani's going up against them now, and they're all going, blank you, we're going to Florida. Then what? Okay, who's going to pay the taxes? Mamdani doesn't think that far ahead, he looks to me like he governs from day to day. Whatever emotion of the day is that he whacks in there. But when you have that deterioration of the political process, and believe me, we have it now, we are in a deteriorating country as far as politics are concerned. The rules have changed. Your father might not even get elected now, okay? Because he's not an ideologue. He's not going in there trying to serve one constituency. You know, he wanted to make things better. But if you do that, you come up against a powerful vested interest. Look at the New York Times. They think they're kinmakers, right? Okay, what's their latest? Their latest is that Jews are raping Arabs? That's what we got now?
CUOMO Look, this goes back to your first point, Bill. What they are doing is hurtful to the state of New York. We are hemorrhaging jobs. We are hemorrhaging wealth.
O'REILLY Chasing the big boys out of here.
CUOMO You're chasing not only the big boys out, but the taxes are so high, you're chasing middle-class people out.
O'REILLY Oh, sure.
CUOMO And they're going to Florida, they're gonna Texas, they're going' to North Carolina. You're chasing' the jobs out. This division and partisanship is a cancer. It is driving the extremes politically, because, let's be honest, politics for a politician? It's easier to spin the negative than the positive. It's easy to spin hate and combat. So you have the Democrats demonizing the Republicans, the Republicans demonizing more and more polarization. And then you have The Press, which is a player, and they're playing the same game, which is, you listen to MSNOW, Trump is the devil. You listen to Fox, you get a totally different story. So yes, you're putting a cleaver down this country that is pushing us to an irreparable abyss. And the redistricting is going to make it permanent in a way that will be irreversible.
O'REILLY But that's not going to work because of the skin color aspect. Do you think President Trump should tone it down?
CUOMO I think President Trump is looking at a midterm. I think the midterm is going to be problematic for the Republicans historically.
O'REILLY He's gotta ratchet it up
CUOMO No, I think part of what is going to hurt the Republicans, it's going to be Iran, it's gonna be gas, it's going to be all those symptomatic issues. But, and you're a student of history, which I appreciate, this country has always been skeptical of overly powerful government and autocratic government and feels more comfortable with a balance of power. Trump, our strength is our weakness. He is so dominant, so dominant, rolls the Republicans, there are no Democrats. It's Trump 24 hours a day. I think the Democrats are gonna say, people, the country is gonna say, let's bring some balance here. Let's reduce the drama. There's too much drama. I have to live my life, Bill. I don't wanna wake up every morning having to worry about who we bombed.
O'REILLY But people are entrenched. They are entrenched in their views of the country and politics. Now I'm going to take a time out here. Our Concierge Members and Premium Members are going to get another 10-15 minutes of Killing Time. We appreciate all of you around the world watching We'll Do It Live, and we'll be back in a moment with Killing Time.
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