Jackson A lot of people just think I talk in a fake voice. They don't know my depth. I'm not dead yet. I could hold a handstand for a minute. 

O'Reilly A poet who does handstands. 

Jackson There's worse things than cancer and death. Marriage. He's not laughing at my jokes. You're very serious, Bill. 

O'Reilly Hey, Bill O'Reilly here and welcome to another long form podcast, "We'll Do It Live." And we have a very special guest here for you tonight. Victoria Jackson was one of the mainstays of Saturday Night Live when it was, you know, in its heyday. A lot of big stars came out of there, and she's flown up from Tennessee to talk with us. It's good to see you. Let's get the serious stuff out of the way first. So, how's your health? 

Jackson I'm not dead yet. 

O'Reilly That's the title of your new book. And it's a very interesting book. "Not Dead Yet: A Lifetime of Handstands, Art and Poetry." And Miss Jackson is doing a handstand pretty much everywhere. I thought Joe Biden shoulders was a bit much, but. 

Jackson Yeah, that was a difficult one. 

O'Reilly Ha ha ha. 

Jackson Since he can hardly stand up. 

O'Reilly But the book is just out, so you might want to check it out. So how are you feeling? 

Jackson Bill, I'm so honored to be here, and I told my friend I was coming, and she said, he's a very smart man. And I was like, smart, yeah. So, then I was looking up recent things you've done, and I gotta tell you, I love how you explained what communism and capitalism is to Howie Mandel's daughter. Yeah. I was, like, you're such a good teacher, and nobody's being taught, you know. 

O'Reilly The kids are not, on that subject. And we'll get back to your health in a minute. A teacher, you don't know this. But when you were living in Carol City, Florida. 

Jackson I do know this. That's one of the things I wanted to do. 

O'Reilly I was just down the street at Pace High School. 

Jackson Here's all my notes to tell Bill. I was a Dade Christian. You were at Pace. We played each other. 

O'Reilly In every sport and I didn't know you're up there in Carol City, but you had a just a normal upbringing just a regular, you know.

Jackson Yes and no. My dad was a gymnastics coach, which is unusual. And he was doing handstands all the time. And we had a gym in our backyard. Our backyard was a ghetto. Because Carol City, you know was a ghetto.

O'Reilly Carol City was a tough neighborhood, so was Opa Locka, where we were. 

Jackson Yes, that's where I was born. So, my childhood, yeah, I was in church three times a week and in the gym every day. And that's not so normal, I don't think so. 

O'Reilly Not anymore. 

Jackson No. 

O'Reilly No, but you... 

Jackson We didn't have a TV. 

O'Reilly No TV. 

Jackson My dad loved show business, and he thought he would be um addicted...

O'Reilly More entertaining. 

Jackson He would be addicted to it. And we would be, and he wanted us to be in the backyard doing sit ups and flips and handstands and.

O'Reilly And you did. You were a nice daughter. 

Jackson So I didn't get brainwashed like my generation and. 

O'Reilly Now, going back though, you have been diagnosed with breast cancer, stage four. Yes. You wouldn't know it just by looking at you. 

Jackson Can I tell you some jokes about it? 

O'Reilly In a minute, though, because I think people who know you, and that's a lot of people, want to know where you are on the health scale. 

Jackson Okay, well I could talk for an hour. A friend of mine just told me every detail of his bloody thing and I was like I'm never gonna talk about my health again, but I will. Okay so I got cancer diagnosed in 2015 breast cancer. I let a stranger with an accent from Chile and a good bedside manner cut my boobs off. I don't know who she is. I signed a paper. It was in the hospital. This is kind of a joke, but it's true. She cut my boobs off, and I got radiation and chemotherapy. He's not laughing at my jokes. And then 10 years went by, and then I forgot about it. And then it came back. Two years ago, I was doing stand-up in Vegas in a small venue, because I'm not (inaudible) car you know, in the stand-up thing. But people laugh, but I was doing standup in Vegas, and I couldn't stop coughing. And the audience was kind of like, like they thought I had COVID, and I was gonna give it to them. And I went to the doctor finally, urgent care and they found my breast cancer had come back and was pushing on my windpipe. So, I couldn't breathe and was coughing all the time. It is a horrible thing to not be able to breathe. And I have so much compassion for all suffering people. I've always been healthy, took it for granted, of course, but there's a lot of people I'm seeing in hospitals now, and suffering is hard. But thanks to my faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, yay Jesus, this life is a vapor and it's gonna be over like that. And I'll have eternal life with Him in a place where there's no pain and no tears because He died on the cross for my sins. Can I give you a little example of what I learned at Florida Bible College at Hollywood, Florida? Okay. Dr. A. Ray Stanford, who actually ran away with one of the students, but we're all sinners. He used to do it like this, Romans 3:23, "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." God is perfect and holy, and here we are. He created us perfect, and then we sinned, and our sin separates us from Him. So, he came, died on the cross for our sins, which is what your book is about. Factual historical angle of it. He died for our sins paid for them. So, we can be reunited with him He, He redeemed us. He paid for our sins Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." So, we can be reunited with Him. So that is why I, I'm not sad.

O'Reilly So that sustains you through this whole process. 

Jackson In my whole life, I've read it, memorized it, sang about it. 

O'Reilly You've been consistent your whole life. 

Jackson Yeah, it's like do I really believe it? So now I'm putting it into action, and I do have peace and um yeah. So anyway, physically they got, radiated my tumor right here so I can breathe, so happy. And I got cancer, bone cancer as a side effect of radiation or something. So, I have cancer on five of my vertebrae and my pelvic bone. So, I have like this achy pain. They're not sure here. They're sure if it's from gymnastics or cancer related. But I have great pain pills. Pain pills are great. 

O'Reilly Okay, it's especially when you need them like you do. But whatever happens, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, you're okay with it because of your deep faith. 

Jackson Oh, my faith in Jesus, not just my faith in nothing, my faith in Jesus. 

O'Reilly Your Christian faith. 

Jackson Who you wrote about. And you are a great journalist, and you know what? You are neutral. I kept thinking you were a conservative like me, but you try to be like the way a journalist should be and be neutral? 

O'Reilly Well, I'm a fact finder.

Jackson Yeah, this is all facts and it's all, it's just facts and the reason why I just stumbled on it, my mom gave this to my husband in 2014. She wrote in it, and I was like, hey, Paul, I'm going to see Bill O'Reilly. So, I started reading it because I hadn't read it yet. I'm this far, and it's super good, then I skip to the end. 

O'Reilly Well, look if we can do anything for you, you know Mel Gibson just finished shooting it, wrapping his movie on the resurrection after the passion and we're talking to Mel, I know him a little bit. So, I'm a big believer and if you believe something. You being anybody okay, and it helps other people then you go. 

Jackson Doesn't mean it's right though. 

O'Reilly But the help. 

Jackson It doesn't mean its truth. If you believe in something really hard... 

O'Reilly Sure, people believe what they want to believe in a lot of his fiction. 

Jackson And it might be stupid. 

O'Reilly Okay, but if they believe what's fiction and at the same time, they're helping other people, I'm okay with it. 

Jackson It's good to help people. 

O'Reilly Yeah. 

Jackson You know, both of our books are about Jesus, and they're from different angles. Yours is from a journalist, fact finding, accurate, truth-seeking journalist, and mine's from a truth seeking, accurate gymnast, ex-gymnast. They're both about Jesus.

O'Reilly Well, what I found interesting about your book, not only the proximity that I was teaching high school to where you were living much earlier, you're younger than I am. But how normal it appears that you were and then you burst into the Johnny Carson show. That's an amazing story. 

Jackson Yeah. 

O'Reilly So, Carson an icon, of course, and you got on his show a number of times by doing handstands, correct? 

Jackson Well, I went to Hollywood to try to be an airhead on a sitcom because I thought that's the only way I can make a lot of money in this lifetime. In heaven, you don't need to make money, but um, no, I just, I only, I could never be a doctor. I hate math, I hate, I don't hate science, I hate math. So, I thought, I don't want to be poor because I grew up in a ghetto. My parents used to argue over whether we afford the vacuum cleaner or an air conditioner, and I thought I never want to be like that when I grow up. I want both. And um... not have to worry. So, I thought, hey, if I could be an airhead on a sitcom. And I've been performing, you know, on equipment on a four-inch board doing a back handspring. So, I was used to being in front of people, not talking. But anyway, my first play was at Furman in South Carolina. I got the bug. I met Johnny Crawford from The Rifleman. He was the lead flown in to be the star of the play in Birmingham. He sent me a one-way ticket to Hollywood blah, blah, blah and when I was in Hollywood, I thought, how can I get an agent? How can I get a show? I don't know how. And Johnny didn't have connections anymore. And um so I thought stand-up comedy was the new thing in 1980. And there was very few women doing it. And I thought if I could do something at the comedy store and open my...

O'Reilly Did you have confidence that you could make people laugh? 

Jackson I, uh, yes, because in high school I copied Lily Tomlin’s Edith Ann routine. 

O'Reilly You're a Mimic. 

Jackson 'My name is Edith Ann and I'm five and a half years old. I never asked to be born if I did my (inaudible) would have said no.' You know that routine? So, I got laughs with that. 

O'Reilly I can do this. 

Jackson So, I went to the comedy store on open mic night, and I did Edith Ann, because I got three minutes, 1 in the morning, and I was a secretary during the day at the American Cancer Society, and I served food to old people at the retirement hotel for room and board. After I did my Edith Ann thing, Mitzi, who, the boss of the comedy store, said, 'you never do someone else's material, especially if they're alive.' And I was like, oh, I don't know. 

O'Reilly I don't know the rules. 

Jackson I didn't know anything. 

O'Reilly Right. 

Jackson So, I thought I got to come up with some of my own jokes. And so, then I thought, well, I could hold a handstand for a minute. No one else can do that. That'll keep their attention. And then I'll say a poem because I was writing poems all the time. So, this has all my poems from when I was 10. 

O'Reilly You're a poet. 

Jackson Yeah. 

O'Reilly Yeah. 

Jackson Even though... 

O'Reilly A poet who does handstands. 

Jackson Yeah. 

O'Reilly I don't think Shakespeare was in that crew. 

Jackson Well, yeah, he couldn't do a handstand probably and then when I was on The Tonight Show, the talent scout, Jim McCauley, told me if you put a poem to music, even if you only know three chords, you know, like the Rolling Stones, 'I can't get no satisfaction. I can't get no satisfaction.' You know, that would have gone nowhere as a poem. You'll make a lot more money. If you put your poems to music and I was like, well, I have a ukulele, I know three chords, I'll put all my poems to the music. So, then I got to sing ukuleles songs on Carson and Saturday Night Live. But anyway, the way I got on Carson was I was doing this ukulele handstand poetry thing every night for two years at the Variety Arts Center and the comedy store and the Improv and all-around town in LA. I was 21. And um The Johnny Carson guy, Jim McCauley, saw me and let me go on Johnny. 

O'Reilly Very nice. Was Carson nice to you? 

Jackson He was super nice to me, he got me. You know, Letterman never got me. 

O'Reilly Right. 

Jackson You were on Letterman 30 times, I heard. And he didn't like me. 

O'Reilly Dave doesn't, you know, he's a little prickly. 

Jackson Yeah, a lot of people just think I talk in a fake voice. They don't know my depth. But no, he didn't. Johnny got me. Johnny got me, had me back on 20 times. That's probably where Lorne Michaels saw me and offered me an audition for SNL. 

O'Reilly Did you have uh did you have to audition for Saturday Night Live? 

Jackson Yeah. 

O'Reilly Who'd you read with? 

Jackson Well, it was '86 and I had just been in a movie with Robert Downey Jr., my first real movie called "The Pickup Artist." I was in three scenes. I don't know if that had anything to do with it, but Robert Downey Jr. got fired that summer of '86. 

O'Reilly From SNL. 

Jackson And I was kissing him somewhere in New York in this movie. And, oh, my book's on audio tape, too. People can hear a lot of showbiz gossipy stories in the audio version, because I added them in. So, what happened was I had a baby, a three-month-old baby, and I was married to a fire eater musician. And he was out of work most of the time. There's not much call for fire eating um so.

O'Reilly You had to make the, you had to make the money.

Jackson Yes and so I got a call on my Kermit the Frog phone one day and they said, 'would you like to audition for Saturday Night Live tomorrow?' And I was like uh sure and they said 'a ticket will be waiting for you at LAX be there at 8 a.m.'

O'Reilly You had to fly to New York. 

Jackson Flew to New York. I don't know how they got my number. They didn't go through my agent. It was like magical. It was mission impossible. The tape will just be destroyed now go up in smoke. So, I flew to New York. They said bring me your characters and your impressions. And I didn't have any. Cause I never watched SNL, and I didn't have a TV. So, I brought my six minutes of stand up from Johnny. And I brought my ukulele and my handstand. And they put me in a hotel with 12 other girls from all around the country, and they marched us past the Atlas statue to 30 Rock, and they put us in the Phil Donahue studio, and one by one we went in there and did our little six minutes.

O'Reilly And Lorne Michaels was there with his posse.

Jackson It was just Lorne, a video camera and a beautiful 20-year-old operating the video camera, and a bowl of popcorn. 

O'Reilly Um, now he liked you right away. 

Jackson You're very serious, Bill. 

O'Reilly Not really, but I'm... 

Jackson He, Lorne liked me, yes. Lorne liked and in the. 

O'Reilly You know, I was on Saturday Night Live. 

Jackson I saw you at the 40th reunion.

O'Reilly And I was on there making fun of the What Up guy, which was... 

Jackson Yeah. "What up with that."

O'Reilly But I noticed while I was there, because I helped write that skit. Very intense. That's not a carnival in there. 

Jackson It's a war. 

O'Reilly Yeah. So, you guys got to compete for airtime, and you got to prove yourself almost every week, right? 

Jackson Yes. 

O'Reilly How did that weigh on you? Were you able to accept it? 

Jackson I think I drank too much Chardonnay, and I heard alcohol leads to breast cancer, so maybe that's why, I don't know. 

O'Reilly So your religion came into good effect there as well. 

Jackson In what way? 

O'Reilly You were guided through it. 

Jackson Well, when I was there, no one was doing drugs that I saw because Belushi had just died, and Lorne was friends with him, and so drugs weren't cool anymore in '86. And I had a baby at home, so I didn't go out. I just went to work, went home, didn't wanna miss her first step or her first word or anything. It was very competitive, very stressful, but I would just pray and say, Lord help me. One time I went to Lorne's office I said, Lorne, we have to wait an hour to see Lorne because he's very important. 

Jackson So you wait outside of his office. 

O'Reilly I've heard that. I've got along with him, but I understand.

Jackson Well I love him. But you do have to wait. 

O'Reilly Do you have a good relationship to this day with him? 

Jackson He doesn't call me to chat. 

O'Reilly No, he's a busy guy. 

Jackson Yeah. I think all of the cast members love him, like a daddy, and we are like desperate for him to say we did good, and he doles out compliments very sparsely. So, we're always like please like...

O'Reilly No, he's in charge, that's for sure. 

Jackson You know Machiavelli, the book "The Prince" by Machiavelli? 

O'Reilly Yes, I do. 

Jackson You know how it's about should you rule by fear or by love? I think he rules by fear. 

O'Reilly Very possible. 

Jackson He liked my audition, very quick interview the next day, and he said, I'm not, he said very funny audition. I'm not sure you're strong in characters or impressions. And he started walking me to his door to leave. I said I'm married; I have a fire eater husband, I have baby. And then I go, well, I can talk like this. And he's like, and I said, I could be a character like this, you know? And he was like, hmm. And he goes, what if I wanted you to be like a Midwestern housewife? And I go, well would, I, I am a housewife, and my parents are from the Midwest. And he goes, and then he goes or Diane Keaton. I go well, I would just wear men's clothes and look at the ground a lot. And then he's like, okay, thank you. So, I'm flying back to LA. I'm like, I'm so close, but I don't think I'm gonna get it. Then I realized I was gonna be on Johnny Carson in two weeks. And I thought, well, why don't I extend my audition on Johnny Carson? That's gotta impress him. So, I said to Jim McCauley. 

O'Reilly That was smart. 

Jackson Yeah. I go, Jim, could I do some impressions and see if Johnny can guess who I'm doing to extend? He goes, yeah, okay, but just don't say what the show is that you're auditioning for. We don't wanna get sued. So, I said okay. So, I went on Johnny in a pink dress, smaller than this one. I think I'm like a tree trunk and the rings, you know, every year I get a ring. Has, have people said that before? You're, you're...

O'Reilly No, I've never heard that, though. 

Jackson Yeah, I've never heard anyone say it, but it's true. Like when you cut open a tree and there's rings. I have 66 rings. If you gain one pound a year. So I go on Johnny Carson, and I go, Johnny, see if you can guess who I'm doing, I'm auditioning for this show. And I go... oh watchy. I'm sorry, boy, the way Glenn Miller played, so long as they made the hate parade. And he goes, 'Edith Bunker.' And I go, yeah. And then I go... oh, I don't know why I'm here. Just go to a commercial. I don't have anything to say. And he goes, 'Teri Garr.' And I goes, yeah! And then, I go... what's love got to do? Got to do with it. And he goes, 'Tina Turner.' I go yeah. And so I go... John, why would you like to work for my company? And he goes, 'I don't know, Bette Davis?' And I go, no. And he goes, 'who is it?' And I go, I made her up. Because you're supposed to make up characters too. And everybody laughed so hard. And I knew in that moment that I got it. And then. 

O'Reilly So Michael saw the audition on Carson, he saw the bit. 

Jackson Well, I said to my manager, Dolores Robinson at the time, I said, what if he doesn't see us? And then she put the VHS in his mailbox. 

O'Reilly All the pros and cons, that a good thing for you Saturday Night Live was a good?

Jackson Are you kidding? It was fantastic. 

O'Reilly Because a lot of the players, they come off there a little embittered. 

Jackson Well, it probably gave me cancer. But, you know, no, I think my marriage gave me cancer, actually. There's worse things than cancer and death. Marriage. 

O'Reilly Especially if there's fire involved.

Jackson Well I'm on the second husband now, there's not fire involved, he's a policeman. 

O'Reilly Well, that's better. 

Jackson Yeah, I do support cops. I love cops. 

O'Reilly Now you had Miller, Dennis Miller, on with you when you were on the show. 

Victoria Jackson Yeah, I was with him, and I worked with Norman. 

O'Reilly Miller, nice to you?

Jackson Miller is not soft and cuddly, but on the air, we had good chemistry. 

O'Reilly Right. He's weekend update. 

Jackson Yeah. 

O'Reilly Right. 

Jackson It was such a great experience. It changed my life. Everybody remembers me from it. I walked down the street. People are so nice to me. I'm so grateful. And it was hard to be a Christian there. I was the only Christian on the cast. So, I didn't talk about it or anything. People ask me like. 

O'Reilly Well, the church lady was Christian, right? Dana Carvey. 

Jackson Dana, I don't think he's in his personal life, I don't think he's...

O'Reilly No, just the character.

Jackson He might be leaning that way.

O'Reilly Yeah, he's endured. There's another guy named Phil Hartman who you work with who self-destructed. 

Jackson No, his wife, his wife shot him. 

O'Reilly I know shot him.

Jackson And I was in that house like a little while before that, visiting them. That was weird. 

O'Reilly Yeah, was he a good guy Hartman? 

Jackson Uh, Phil, to me, was very, um, kept to, to me, he kept to himself. Like, I didn't know who the real Phil was. Like, Jan Hooks and Phil Hartman were so brilliant at being everyone. But who were they? Like, my personality is so strong. It's very hard for me to be other people, but they are like a blank slate, and they can do it. Well, they have huge talent. I'm, I'm not saying it right. They, they personally, I don't know who they were, exactly, but they're geniuses at playing characters. 

O'Reilly Sure, they're a very good performance. 

Jackson They're fantastic. 

O'Reilly Cuz I was surprised when Hartman went down like that. And then of course the most notorious of all is Chris Farley. 

Jackson I worked with him he was so shy and sweet. He was very shy around girls when I was a girl. I was there when like the Adam Sandler, David Spade, Chris Farley work I was the old timer when they were the new timers and it's sad that the cast has to keep changing but Lorne stays there and then he just keeps getting young people we all get old and then he gets more young people and then... You know, after the sixth year, I couldn't think of any more ideas. I, you know...

O'Reilly That's about the average though, right? Five, six years? 

Jackson My contract was five and I stayed six and people, I read an article that said I got fired because I was proselytizing my religion. That's ridiculous. That is a lie. Lorne said I could stay as long as I want. I didn't proselytize anyone. I... He said stay as long as you want and um... But I was going through a divorce from the fire eater and I had a four-year-old and I, I didn't want her to be home alone with a strange nanny.

O'Reilly So you still lived down on West Coast at this point? 

Jackson Uh, I, when, when I left SNL? 

O'Reilly Yeah. 

Jackson When I left, I had a house in Connecticut, a house in LA, and I had, a show being written for me where George Clooney played my boyfriend.

O'Reilly George Clooney. 

Jackson Whatever happened to him? 

O'Reilly Yeah, he loves me. Did you ever get a pilot out of that or George show up? 

Jackson We read the pilot, they were saving money, so they never made it. We read it out loud to NBC, ABC, and CBS, and everyone passed on it. It was called Victoria, and I was playing a Las Vegas showgirl who's naive from the Midwest. Anyway, it never happened, so I've been in a lot of pilots that never happened.

O'Reilly Yeah, a lot of things said, that's the business though.

Jackson Yeah, you gotta, you got to be able to take rejection like. The guy who wrote I Love Lucy, Schiller and Weiskopf, those two guys, they were assigned to write me my own pilot when I was right after Carson was like 24. And it was called "Twinkie." And I was playing the vice president's wife who causes trouble in Washington, D.C. And that never happened. But you know.

O'Reilly You remind me a little bit of Goldie Hawn during the laugh-in days. 

Jackson Yes, I can see that. She, one day, 20 years after I left SNL, it's been 40 now. I've been not on SNL for 40 years. That's so weird. We didn't have a TV, but my grandmother did, and I saw laugh-in at her house when my parents went to the movies that were our movies without us. And one day, 20 years after I'd left SNL, I realized my brain took poems by Henry Gibson, airheadism by Goldie Hawn, the ukulele from Tiny Tim. This is how powerful TV is. And now kids are watching bang, shoot them up, kill people videos. It's very powerful for the human brain. It sticks in there. My dad said visual things will stick in your head forever. 

O'Reilly Now, so far, you're... 

Jackson I copied them all. So anyway, I copied. I didn't even know I was copying them. That was my act. My stand-up act was copying laugh-in. 

O'Reilly And you did it subliminally. 

Jackson I didn't even know I was copying laugh-in. 

O'Reilly Right. 

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O'Reilly So far, your Christianity hasn't interfered with your career. That you had a nice career and ascension and became famous, and you know, all things that accompany that. Did it ever, Christianity, your Christianity, start to interfere with your career? 

Jackson Great question. When I was new on the cast, the only way you could tell I was a Christian is I didn't say God's name in vain. If it was in a script, I would just say Gosh or Golly or something. And I felt guilty about that because my dad taught me that those are euphemisms for God and Jesus, G and Golly. But I would say that. So, they might have noticed, hey, she changed the word. One time I gave the cast the Bible on cassette. For a Christmas present because I thought God has me here for a reason and they need to know about Jesus. 

O'Reilly Yeah, they need the Bible. 

Jackson They need a Bible, and we're all getting new cars and have a lot of money. Maybe they can slip the cassette in the, that was a new thing in the 80s, put a cassette in the car, and they could hear the whole Bible, because I can't tell them, I went to Bible college. I know the Bible so well. I study it every day still, my whole life. 

O'Reilly How was that gift received when you gave it to them? 

Jackson One cast member returned it with a note that said, 'I already have one.' But nobody else said anything. And then years later, I said to Kevin Nealon, hey, Kevin, did I really give you guys the Bible on cassette or is that like a dream I had? And he said, you did, you did hat. And I still have them on my shelf. I think I've listened to number three and number five, something like that. So, I really...

O'Reilly But I'm glad to hear that it didn't, because there are performers who... 

Jackson Oh yes, you can be blacklisted for your beliefs, but let me get to that. Christianity didn't make anyone mad. What made me blacklisted was, well, I started being on Bill Maher's show, Politically Incorrect. I was on 12 times, and that was fine. He loved me on there because I was the opposite of him, and so it was good sparring. And I brought a Bible with me one time and read Ephesians 2, 8, 9 out loud. But and the audience clapped, they didn't boo, it was crazy. But anyway, what happened was when I joined the tea party in 2010 and I went on your show, when I went in your show, like people can deal with Christian but they can't deal with conservatism. That's where I started getting hate. Obama was running for president. He came out of nowhere. And I'd never been political. What happened was I was in LA, and I was trying to get my career back. My kids were almost all the way grown. And I said to my husband, I want to go back to LA and try to get in my career again. And I know they hate old women, but I'll give it a shot. Well, I go to LA, and I said, where am I, how am I going to network? I don't know anyone anymore. My gay friend, Dan. He goes, 'why don't you go to that underground group of conservatives you can network there.' There's like Gary Sinise and Jon Voight. 

O'Reilly Yeah, Lincoln somebody. 

Jackson It was called Friends of Abe. 

O'Reilly Friends of Abe, right, right. 

Jackson And I said, well, I'm not political. This was 2008. I know I'm not political. I didn't even know how to vote like till I was, till Clinton said, 'it depends what the meaning of the word is, is.' When Clinton said that, I went, okay. That's just running the country. I have got to get involved. Cause my husband used to watch you all day on Fox. He'd stand in front of the TV. He was a poli sci major. And he is passionate about politics. And I'm like, Paul, where do I vote? And where do we find out what they stand for? Where is it in the newspaper? You know, so in my 40s, I start my dad told me, just vote for anyone with an R next to their name. And he was right. Even though I learned what a rhino is. He's right. So anyway, I go to this underground group to network for my career, and I started learning. And I found out that someone was running against Hillary. No one ever heard of him. And who was his dad and who raised him? Oh, his white grandparents in Hawaii who are members of the Communist Party USA raised him. Oh, Frank Marshall Davis was his mentor. Oh, he's a communist. Oh, he said to Joe the plumber on the campaign trail, spread the wealth. That's a direct quote from the communist manifesto written by Karl Marx. I learned that in eighth grade at Dade Christian. So, we had to read the book 1984 by George Orwell. That's my first sentence in here, is a George Orwill quote. Anyway...

O'Reilly You got more and more involved with, uh... 

Jackson The more I found out I was like I got a fire I'm like the America doesn't know someone has to tell him the media is lying.

O'Reilly Now did that hurt you once you went over to the right? 

Jackson That's when I got blacklisted. My agent dumped me. My stand-up agent, I've been doing it 15 years after SNL just for money for the family because my first marriage I lost all my money. My agent said we can't, she was at APA, she's very powerful now, she said I can't represent you. All the club owners are liberals and you're too outspoken as a conservative. I was on your show. 

O'Reilly Yeah, I remember. 

Jackson And I said to you, Obama's a communist, and you went like this, oh come on, you don't really. You did that.

O'Reilly But he isn't a communist, he's got four houses, maybe he espouses... 

Jackson Well communists are all wealthy they just don't, they want everyone else to pay the taxes not them, 

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Jackson But I couldn't believe you didn't agree with me. 

O'Reilly You know what's interesting though? A previous friend of yours maybe, but a previous performer with you, Rob Schneider. 

Jackson I'm in touch with him sometimes.

O'Reilly Right. He is very conservative, but his career now is prospering. You know, he's hooked up with the Sandler crew and well. 

Jackson I'm not best friends with Adam Sandler, and also Rob Schneider sold out Zanies Nashville for two weeks, and he is a great stand-up. I'm okay, but I'm no Rob Schneier at stand-ups, so he deserves to be doing well, but he has been affected badly for standing up for conservative values, and there's a couple that aren't. Some are doing well and but the, you know what the main thing that got me blacklisted. I wrote an article when I was trying to warn America about this creeping communism, which now we have to worry about Islam and communism those are the two threats to America.

O'Reilly Those are the ones that you feel are threats.

Jackson Oh, yeah. I have proof. So, I was writing articles for Breitbart. I knew him. You know, he was a great guy. And I was just doing, I think it was called ‘Make Me a Liberal,’ name of my column. It was like, I just want truth and facts. I just want truth in fact. I wrote an article, and I said something about the TV show Glee should not have a homosexual theme where two teenage boys are kissing because children are watching. They're brainwashing this generation. They brainwashed this generation in 10 years, and there's a book about it called "After the Ball," and two PR guys determined to change America's opinion of homosexuality, and they did it in 12 years by TV and everything. Anyway, you cannot say gay is a sin, or you're blacklisted, so. 

O'Reilly Sure. 

Jackson  That so that was like that was it my agent in Atlanta said everyone in show business is gay I cannot get you any auditions and then my other agent dumped me and I was like well you know I get it I, I have gay friends I love everyone but I'm just trying to stand up for the, the word of God because no one else is. Why doesn't somebody just say the truth. 

O'Reilly But you recovered a little bit from that, right.

Jackson All sins are equal, we're all sinners. The homosexuality in Romans chapter 1 is in the same verse with gossip. They're equally sinful to God. 

O'Reilly Right, but, but I mean, your career... 

Jackson Now, my career, well, what happens is, some Christian people like to hire me because they agree with me. Some Christians think I'm wild because I was on SNL, or I have my butt showing on every page of my book? 

O'Reilly But you're doing a handstand. 

Jackson I can't help... 

O'Reilly I mean, how can you? 

Jackson And I've gotten work, but I, you know, I've got work in Christian movies, small, independent, but I don't really want to work that much. I'm a grandmother of five. Right. 

O'Reilly And you got to take care of your health again. We want you around, Victoria. 

Jackson I can hardly walk anymore. It's a miracle that I'm just acting like a healthy person. But after this, I'm gonna lay in my hotel room. 

O'Reilly But as I said, when I saw you, I would not have known that you were in, you know, that kind of a medical situation. So, whatever you're doing is working. 

Jackson It's reading the Bible and listening to worship music. That's the secret. 

O'Reilly Do you have any fear of death? 

Jackson I'm kind of scared. It's a horrible thing. God did not want it to happen. You know, the Garden of Eden, He said, don't eat of that tree or you'll die. And they said, oh, and the devil said, you won't surely die. Anyway, I don't like death. It is a horrible thing. So, I prayed, and I asked God, could I please die with no fear, no pain and no sadness? I mean, it's the best day of your life if you're going to meet the Lord face to face. 

O'Reilly Sure. 

Jackson And live an eternity with Him, worshiping Him, serving Him. He invented music. He invented everything. 

O'Reilly That's a good prayer though. 

Jackson Yeah, so that's what I pray whenever I get scared. I go, Lord, you know, he knows me and my kids are doing great. They're happy. They're happily married. They love Jesus. They have healthy children like it's. 

O'Reilly You've done your job. 

Jackson Yes.